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Old 11-03-15, 11:05 AM
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Hi all
I found something on the web I really, really like. It's most likely from the '70s, a well known builder, track frame and forks, Columbus tubes (not specified which yet) with record hubs, fully built. It's not a grail bike but it's unusual enough that I think it would grace any collection. So in my view an 'almost' top end steel frame with the right bits hanging off would be under 500€ in really good nick. Seller is asking a lot more than that. Looking for opinions, grail bike prices, it's worth what you're willing to pay etc. Trying to put myself off spending money if I'm honest. Talk to me!
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Its really only about how bad do you want it, and whether it fits within your budget. I have no problem "overpaying" for the "right" bike. What it may be worth to others does not matter.
I agree. Also, the age old adage "a bird in hand...." can apply well. If you really want it, where else will you find another and for less?
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It all depends on what you want. I just can't imagine myself getting too excited about riding a single speed bike. I did find a track 100 miles away, but don't envision myself as a big track racer. So, it would have to be a really good deal for me to get excited about a track bike/frame.

I did, however, start thinking about building up a bike around the Sturmey Archer S3X, three speed fixed hub, so who knows.
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Need to know the make....
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Sounds like you would buy it if the price was more reasonable. Ask yourself how much will it detract from your enjoyment of the bike knowing you paid a premium?
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Its built by B Carré and has the same lugs (at least on the head tube) as my Carré road bike.



2 requests for more pics have gone unanswered but he's asking 600€. I only paid 200€ for the roadie with some decent original gear on it.
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Originally Posted by OldsCOOL View Post
I agree. Also, the age old adage "a bird in hand...." can apply well. If you really want it, where else will you find another and for less?
yes- they're likely not going to be making any more of them.
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Old 11-06-15, 11:05 AM
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He forgot about me but should be able to get more pics this weekend... oooh!
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I look forward to seeing the pics.
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Are those sheriff stars?

Edit: if they're age-appropriate, they aren't. Regardless, a vintage track frame from a notable builder with record hubs, two bolt seat post and... well, the strong light crankset is a little off to my eye, but whattayagonnado?

Where was I? Oh yeah, he's a lot closer to FMV at 600€ than you are at 200€.
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Old 12-21-15, 05:58 AM
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A bit late but there it is.
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Beautiful bike. I see it has Super Vitus tubes, not Columbus. €600 seems all right to me.
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I've never regretted "over-paying" for a bike that I really wanted. Track bikes can command 20% more in price over road bikes due to their comparative rarity.

Consider this; B Carré road bike 200€, + B Carré track bike 600€ = 800€. 800€ / 2 bikes = 400€ each.
If you purchase the track bike you have done pretty well on average.

The only issues that I have are; Is the chainring 3/32 or 1/8? Is the crankset & BB track or road? maybe a discount for the saddle, stem & lack of pedals.

Overall, It's a very nice bike and I'm envious. Please buy it!
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That bike is in exceptional condition. As well, it has the clear Carre marking on the stay caps and the characteristic Carre Fleur de Lys on the fork crown as well as all high end everything from the tubing to the equipment. Definitely a 600 Euro bike. Especially since it is your 600 Euros I am spending.
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@bertinjim I have to say the the Carré name is the main reason for it being added to the collection. I also have an unidentified frame with a 3 digit serial number and parts that were known to be used by Bertin. May I ask what your serial numbers are on your Bertin frames?

The seller was looking to upgrade to carbon, so in theory it's a runner apart from the pedals. A few € on a set of thread correct (rather than period correct) pedals and it should be good to go.
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That is just beautiful.
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My 1960s C 37 has no serial number and my 1973 C 37 has only its frame size (60) stamped on the left rear dropout. Bertin used sequential serial numbers from right after the War until the early 70s when they used no serials until the late 70s when they resumed usage until the late 80s when the system changed again.
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Originally Posted by IthaDan View Post
Are those sheriff stars?
No, they appear to be pre-sheriff Record.
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No, they appear to be pre-sheriff Record.
Not sure what you're talking about. Could one of you please enlighten me?
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Not sure what you're talking about. Could one of you please enlighten me?
The picture posted by Mr. Big Stuff is of a set of hubs commonly referred to as "Sheriff-star" Record hubs, named for the similarity in appearance to the "star" worn by US sheriffs..
They are correctly referred to as Campagnolo Record (or C-Record) high flange hubs and date from later than the hubs on your bike (a very nice machine, BTW).
Campagnolo did not make a large quantity of these hubs so due to that and their rather unique appearance, they are one of the more collectible Campagnolo items.

The hubs on your bike are also Campagnolo Record high-flange, but from the generation before C-Record so are period-correct for your bike.
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Thanks for more pictures, that's a VERY nice bike.

All I was trying to say by even bringing up the sheriff stars is contained in post # 10 in this very thread.

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Are those sheriff stars?

Edit: if they're age-appropriate, they aren't. Regardless, a vintage track frame from a notable builder with record hubs, two bolt seat post and... well, the strong light crankset is a little off to my eye, but whattayagonnado?

Where was I? Oh yeah, he's a lot closer to FMV at 600€ than you are at 200€.
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Nice. I hope it is your size so you can enjoy riding it. Is the crank an actual piste or an adapted road crank? Be sure to share this in C&V
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