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Old 11-04-15, 08:03 AM
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'63 Schwinn Superior

so this was posted in the ebay/craiglist thread from a CL post in phoenix.


I have been trying to find a Superior for my Dad and its been hard to find a tall frame.

He didnt have a specific price but he is emailing me more pictures and price and shipping.



only excerpt about it '63 Schwinn Superior, complete except for seat and tires. Radiant Gold, 24 in. Mechanical overhaul done. Rides well needs cosmetics


I didnt know they made them this far back. Is there anything I should look out for? Appropriate price?

Really looking for a fillet brazed chromo Schwinn and this fits the bill!


I need to get schooled on them.

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Old 11-04-15, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
$300 plus reasonable pack and ship would be a good deal. If you really want it, even higher. Asking price as I recall was a smoking hot deal, no idea why it is not gone already.

Make sure stem and seat post are not stuck and fork is not bent.

Does it have original Brooks saddle?

I like the early 1960s Schwinns a lot better than the later stuff.
the add just had a generic $100 on it. he made it clear it was not $100 for the bike.
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
$300 plus reasonable pack and ship would be a good deal. If you really want it, even higher. Asking price as I recall was a smoking hot deal, no idea why it is not gone already.

Make sure stem and seat post are not stuck and fork is not bent.

Does it have original Brooks saddle?

I like the early 1960s Schwinns a lot better than the later stuff.
He quoted me $400 for it...maybe you can do better...and it does not have the original Brooks saddle...replacement wheels and saddle...
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I would say around $300 also since it has a later 1970's dork disc wheels, needs saddle and needs a complete overhaul plus you will need to deal with shipping and handling.
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Originally Posted by daf1009 View Post
He quoted me $400 for it...maybe you can do better...and it does not have the original Brooks saddle...replacement wheels and saddle...
i'll let you guys know what happens. he hasnt responded yet.
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Originally Posted by daf1009 View Post
He quoted me $400 for it...maybe you can do better...and it does not have the original Brooks saddle...replacement wheels and saddle...

did you ask him a price on the bare superior frame?
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Originally Posted by fury413rb View Post
did you ask him a price on the bare superior frame?
Nope
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Given the lack of original parts, I would estimate lower. PASS.
the big thing for me is the large frame (no pun intended)
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question for the arnie experts -

managed a rooming house at a university in the early seventies and had a tenant who purchased a used superior dated as 1962 while he lived there. it was different from the present machine in that it was fitted with a t.a. triple chainset. the frame had a normal shell for a three-piece bb assembly as opposed to an oversize ashtabula one. colour was blue flambouyant. finish and all fittings appeared original. were there varying superior models at this time?
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
question for the arnie experts -

managed a rooming house at a university in the early seventies and had a tenant who purchased a used superior dated as 1962 while he lived there. it was different from the present machine in that it was fitted with a t.a. triple chainset. the frame had a normal shell for a three-piece bb assembly as opposed to an oversize ashtabula one. colour was blue flambouyant. finish and all fittings appeared original. were there varying superior models at this time?



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thank you fury413rb!
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Old 11-05-15, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
question for the arnie experts -

managed a rooming house at a university in the early seventies and had a tenant who purchased a used superior dated as 1962 while he lived there. it was different from the present machine in that it was fitted with a t.a. triple chainset. the frame had a normal shell for a three-piece bb assembly as opposed to an oversize ashtabula one. colour was blue flambouyant. finish and all fittings appeared original. were there varying superior models at this time?
The '62/'63 Superiors had one-piece cranks with steel Huret triple chainrings. The first "Superior" with a 3-piece crank was the 1968 S/S Tourer, which coincidentally came with a TA triple crankset and was available in Sky Blue (the name for Schwinn's "flamboyant" or candy blue). That model was available for only a half-year and was eventually reinstated with a few changes in '71 as the Sports Tourer. Bottom line: If you are correct about the bottom bracket then the bike in question was not actually a Superior but was most likely a '68 S/S Tourer, which I also believe was the absolute rarest of all the '62 and later fillet-brazed models.

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Metacortex-

thank you so much for this most thorough answer. much appreciated!

suspect me recollection of t.a. chainset is incorrect. this was forty-four years in the rearview mirror and this elderly gent's "memory" is well below par.

see that my "flambouyant" is arnie's "radiant." well, at least i got the colour...

it seemed to me that the superior disappeared for a few years during the boom and was relaunched in 1976. is this correct or just another example of me "memory?"

interesting that these machines are listed with a gear range of 38-100 inches despite being triples. expect this has to do with the amount of wrap of which the allvit rear was capable.
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it seemed to me that the superior disappeared for a few years during the boom and was relaunched in 1976. is this correct or just another example of me "memory?"
The Superior was replaced by the Super Sport in '64 and the Superior name didn't re-emerge until '76 on the replacement for the Sports Tourer. Only the '76-'78 Superiors had 3-piece cranks (Nervar) so if you remember a fillet-brazed bike in the early '70s with a 3-piece TA crank it would have had to be either an '68 S/S Tourer or a '71-'74 Sports Tourer.

interesting that these machines are listed with a gear range of 38-100 inches despite being triples. expect this has to do with the amount of wrap of which the allvit rear was capable.
Yes indeed, the 1960s Schwinn triples were limited by the short-cage derailleurs and could not offer a much wider range than the doubles at the time (36-100 on the S/S Tourer vs. 38-100 on the Super Sport, Continental, etc.). That changed in 1970 when the Super Sport included a new Schwinn Approved version of the long-cage Huret Super Allvit along with 33-100 wide-range gearing. Following that the Sports Tourer was introduced in 1971 with 28-104 gearing, which Schwinn touted as "the broadest currently available on any production bicycle" at the time.


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thanks very much Metacortex; you shore do knowest thine arnies!

upon reflection the blue example i recall may have been a '68 ss. it if was really a '62 it must have had a steel chainset.

had a friend who purchased one of the relaunch '76 superiors new back in the day.
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