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Campagnolo Nuovo Record, "Italian Custom" frame,no serial number, Normandy hubs

Old 11-06-15, 02:59 PM
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Campagnolo Nuovo Record, "Italian Custom" frame,no serial number, Normandy hubs

Hello, This is my first post.

Might have an opportunity to buy this local bike, Not sure what its worth- don't want to pay to much. No serial number anywhere! Seller said it was a "custom built italian frame." No markings. I was hoping someone could identify it by the lugs? Look like Campagnolo dropouts to me. Campy Nuovo Record derailleurs, brakes and QR. Normandy hubs, not sure on the crank...Any info is appreciated.
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It's hard to say much based on what you have there, other than it looks like a mid-level or better frame, probably from the 70's, with a mix of quality components. There is no way to tell if it was "custom built" or not, but I will say that sellers often make up a mythology about their bikes. If the seller's not the original owner, "custom built" means nothing, and even if he is the original owner he might be wrong. I had a guy sell me a '78 Raleigh Pro that he bought new that he swore several times was "made in France!"

Anyway, pricing. My feeling, based mainly on the quality of the parts and the assumption of a quality frame is that you're looking at a bike worth $400 or so. If something can be determined about the frame, it may be worth more, but be careful about spending more for vague promises that it's something that it may or may not be.

(ps, crank is a Stronglight)
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suspect seller may be incorrect regarding italianness.

seat stay caps and prugnat lugs suggest possible frankishness.

the machine's t.a. adjustable bottom bracket cup is a single ring which indicates metric ("french") threading.

do not let braze-ons affect your thinking with regard to origin or date. since finish is a respray braze-ons could all be additions. frameset may be slightly earlier than it first appears...

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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
do not let braze-ons affect your thinking with regard to origin or date. since finish is a respray braze-ons could all be additions. frameset may be slightly earlier than it first appears...

Good point. Date is indeterminate based on the info we have.
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if of gaulic parentage she is likely made by an artisan or "small house" producer rather than one of the majors. said parentage could explain presence of stronglight 93 chainset, lyotard rene berthet platform pedals and the normandy hubs.

also possible she could be of flemish extraction.

will be curious to read what more knowledgeable readers will have to say regarding this machine...
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Interesting bike. It looks like the top tube cable guides resemble this one:



I've only seen those before on the Union 'Rini Wagtmans'. Those were copies of the Union team bikes of the late seventies. According to some sources Wagtmans, who was the Union team manager at the time, had them built by his friend Gianni Motta. However, it may well be that Motta only helped with the design and/or built the team bikes and that Union built the rest themselves, or even had them made by yet another party in France or Belgium. (Some more info and pictures here and here.)

Having said that, other details, like the lugs and fork crown, on the red bike do not resemble the Union, as far as I can see in the pictures provided. So I guess all I'm saying is that that Italian connection could be there.

The bike looks quite nice though, and it would be interesting to know more about it. If it came up for sale here in my size I'd be tempted.
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