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Panasonic Touring Deluxe vs Schwinn Voyageur - which would you buy?

Old 05-02-16, 12:28 PM
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Panasonic Touring Deluxe vs Schwinn Voyageur - which would you buy?

Thanks to the guidance of 2 great C&V'ers I thought I was about to get the Voyageur....then I noticed the Touring Deluxe.
I know the Columbus Tenex is probably "better" than the Tange 1000 and I believe the Voyageur's Shimano components may be a bit better than the Panasonic's Shimano components but for the price I'm not sure which to go with. I assume the Wolber wheels (40 spoke rear) on the Schwinn may be a tad better than the Araya wheels (36 spoke rear) on the Panasonic but of that I'm not positive. For the record heavy duty touring will likely not be in the cards for me. I've been in touch with the Voyageur owner and the lowest he'll go is $449 shipped. I contacted the Panasonic owner but haven't heard back. Thanks in advance for any help.
I assume, ironically that Panasonic made the Voyageur.
https://greensboro.craigslist.org/bik/5565411967.html
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Big price difference between the 2 bikes; why wouldn't you buy the less expensive Panasonic? I'll assume that tange 1000 is not as "good" as columbus tenax (I'm skeptical that there is a huge difference) but still the Panasonic looks clean and it's less than half the price.

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ing-order.html

Here is a discussion of Tenax tubing:

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ive read Tange 900/1000 tubing was seamed and was positioned below Infinity tubing. Dont evern think its 'bad' tubing. Especially when considering touring bikes, the lightest(and therefore the 'best') tubing often isnt ideal. Im 230 and with 30# of packed gear I dont want 260# of weight on some thin weight weenie tubing, even if it is the 'nicest' Columbus or Tange made. It isnt necessary or beneficial to have tubing that thin/light.
As for the 40H Wolber being better than the 36H Araya...at this point what is 'best' is what is still in the best mechanical and cosmetic conditions...but mostly mechanical since its a wheel. Ive had many a 36H Araya rim laced to all sorts of hubs pass thru my hands. The condition of the hubs is most important on a 30ish year old hub. A 40H hub that is pitted and crunchy when spinning is worthless.
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The Schwinn was made in Mississippi.

That is too much money for the Schwinn. Plus the owner of the Schwinn lists things like Shimano Mountech when it was Suntour that made Mountech. Details like that make me think that the owner is just trying to make a buck and doesn't know anything about the bike he is selling. I try to avoid buying from people like that.

Get the Panasonic.
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I think the Panasonic is underpriced at $175, but what do I know?

I'm headed out the door for an Alyeska, about the same price as above.
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Thanks for the replies so far. I thought the Voyageur's price was a bit high but I also know they seem to be highly coveted so I thought the price might be reasonable. I know very little about these touring bikes in general and it's nice to get input.
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
Big price difference between the 2 bikes; why wouldn't you buy the less expensive Panasonic? I'll assume that tange 1000 is not as "good" as columbus tenax (I'm skeptical that there is a huge difference) but still the Panasonic looks clean and it's less than half the price.

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ing-order.html

Here is a discussion of Tenax tubing:

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...s-schwinn.html
Thanks for the links. I'll check that out tonight with a beer.
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The RD, and I assume the front, is an AL- 11.
Isn't the Schwinn made in Japan?
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Thanks for the links. I'll check that out tonight with a beer.
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As much as I love my Voyageur (and wouldn't sell mine for less than double what that shop wants), the Panasonic looks to be the better buy. Great price, looks to be in excellent condition. BTW, Panasonic made many very nice Schwinn frames in the mid-late 80's.
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Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
As much as I love my Voyageur (and wouldn't sell mine for less than double what that shop wants), the Panasonic looks to be the better buy. Great price, looks to be in excellent condition. BTW, Panasonic made many very nice Schwinn frames in the mid-late 80's.
I assume Panasonic made this Schwinn. Other 85's that I've seen pictures of have a Panasonic-like serial number on the bottom lug of the head tubes.
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ive read Tange 900/1000 tubing was seamed and was positioned below Infinity tubing. Dont evern think its 'bad' tubing. Especially when considering touring bikes, the lightest(and therefore the 'best') tubing often isnt ideal.
No, but I’ve seen seamed cr-mo tubes that have split right down the seam in normal use. Not the kind of thing you want to have happen on an extended (or even weekend) tour.Yes it’s rare, but for my money it makes seamless tubes worth the added investment.

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Originally Posted by oddjob2 View Post
I think the Panasonic is underpriced at $175, but what do I know?

I'm headed out the door for an Alyeska, about the same price as above.
RALEIGH ALYESKA TOURING 27''10-SPEED

I have an Alyeska and a Voyageur... Love them both. The Alyeska I rebuilt and do heavy touring on it, the Voyageur is my daily commuter. I agree, the Voyageur is over priced. My Alyeska is a crazy smooth ride, reminds me of my grandpa's old Cadillac.

I suggest find a facilitator in the Massachusetts area and buy this Alyeska here instead of the voyageur or the panasonic if you have to ship anyway-- doesn't seem too far off your size. I've watched it go unsold via auction once through already.

1970's Raleigh Alyeska Brown 27" Touring Bicycle Bike w Aluminum Book Rack | eBay

Needs some re-alteration, but a fair enough price. And it looks like it's got the spec 40 spoke rear if you are sold on wanting that (both mine have it).
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That's a good price on the Panasonic here's one in Cleveland 86 Panasonic Pro Touring Tange No 2 cro mo 58cm frame at twice the price.
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Originally Posted by Lefthook View Post
That's a good price on the Panasonic here's one in Cleveland 86 Panasonic Pro Touring Tange No 2 cro mo 58cm frame at twice the price.
That one's been on there, on and off, for many months. If you look at the drivers side chain stay you can see the etching the owner describes.
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Thanks all. I spoke to the owner last night and I will be getting the Panasonic.
After shipping it will be $175 less than the Voyageur.
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
Beer time is bike buying time,
Read these links last night. Wow. Lots of info on steel to geek out about.
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Originally Posted by rando_couche View Post
No, but I’ve seen seamed cr-mo tubes that have split right down the seam in normal use. Not the kind of thing you want to have happen on an extended (or even weekend) tour.Yes it’s rare, but for my money it makes seamless tubes worth the added investment.

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This is the used market though. Often times options are limited due to available product, so even if you have the money, that doesnt mean you can get the tubing you want in the size you want on the type of bike you want in the cosmetic and mechanical condition you want.
Its a lot of wants.

But anyways, that Reynolds 953 is some dangerous stuff...never know when itll just bust right open!
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