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What's a Bottacchia?

Old 05-02-16, 04:32 PM
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What's a Bottacchia?

And is it worth saving? Just had one donated for our yard sale. It's in pretty rough shape, but I think the frame is salvageable; question is, would anyone want to? If so, how much should we charge? $10? $100? Sorry, no pics. TIA
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If by Bottachia you mean Bottechia, then yes it's worth saving. They made a wide range of models - from moderate quality to expensive racing bikes. You'd need to take a picture and post it on the "What's it worth?" forum. Till then, probably somewhere between $50 and $1000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottecchia
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Sorry, brain fart. Thanks @Salamandrine; this one says it's from 1966 and something about 'champion del mondo'? Sorry for the mangle. A co-worker took a couple of cell pics for me; I'll try to get them up later.
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Double "t", double "c" Might be a nice bike but as said they made a range of bikes from high end to lower end. Be sure to include pictures of the rear drop-outs where the derailleur attaches, and the crank. Does it have chrome front and back? Does it have chrome lugs on the head tube? The "professional" and the "giro d'italia" models appear to be quite desirable imho.
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Originally Posted by KenNC View Post
Double "t", double "c" Might be a nice bike but as said they made a range of bikes from high end to lower end. Be sure to include pictures of the rear drop-outs where the derailleur attaches, and the crank. Does it have chrome front and back? Does it have chrome lugs on the head tube? The "professional" and the "giro d'italia" models appear to be quite desirable imho.
Yeah, Bottecchia, double "c". Being the owner of an Italian name I should know better.

+1 Ask your friend to try to get a clear closeup of where the frame attaches to the rear wheel and derailleur. Look for the word "Campagnolo" on the parts or frame. At some point at least, the Campione del Mondo was at the higher end of their line up. You could well have a valuable bike.
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Just remember, the name is way cool. Bottecchia was murdered, likely by Mussolini's fascists, likely for being suspected of doing what Bartali did; smuggling fake ID papers to help Nazi targets safely leave Italy. The operation was fairly secret, so much so that no one knows if Bottecchia was actually doing that, or if the fascists thought it was him instead of Bartali. It's more likely that Bottecchia was actually doing the smuggling, too, because no one ever went after Bartali for it. Somehow Bottecchia either got caught or was under such strong suspicion that the fascists had no problem murdering a well-known cyclist.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
Just remember, the name is way cool. Bottecchia was murdered, likely by Mussolini's fascists, likely for being suspected of doing what Bartali did; smuggling fake ID papers to help Nazi targets safely leave Italy. The operation was fairly secret, so much so that no one knows if Bottecchia was actually doing that, or if the fascists thought it was him instead of Bartali. It's more likely that Bottecchia was actually doing the smuggling, too, because no one ever went after Bartali for it. Somehow Bottecchia either got caught or was under such strong suspicion that the fascists had no problem murdering a well-known cyclist.
Nice! I didn't know all this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottavio_Bottecchia
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The 1966 transfer does not mean it is a 1966 bicycle. It refers to a victory gained that year on a Bottecchia bicycle. All subsequent Bottecchia bicycles recieved this transfer for a number of years, regardless of model.

It is made by a company called Carnielli. There is some background information here if you are curious:

Bottechia main

The name oft gets misspelt so if you make any online searches take care to spell it correctly.

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Thanks, guys, you're awesome. Here are a couple of pics. Except they copied upside down. Weird.

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This is their base model road bike ~1972.

Originally red flambouyant and old Mr. Sol has done his work on the finish so we are looking at the silver undercoat.

Took in one exactly like this many years ago. The only remaining red was under the clamps.

Photo tip - readers will be able to give more information about a bicycle if it is photographed from the drive side.
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+1 low end model from early 70's in pretty rough shape. As presented $50-75 as project parts bike to the right buyer, as it is it would basically cost more to fix up get in good riding shape than it's worth these go for about $200 in good ready to ride condition with decent paint and chrome. This one needs $200-300 in parts and labour and would still have bad paint.
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Even with the premium value placed on Italian bikes, that one's probably only going to bring about $75 max. You could try for $100. Be prepared to accept less.
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I wouldn't characterize it as a low end model. More like mid level with some fancy stuff. It's a junior level racer, early 70s. I am not certain but the it looks like the wheels have Campagnolo Tipo high flange hubs and skewers. In good shape those alone are worth $100+. Campagnolo shifters. Unicanitor saddle? It's hardly a Huffy.

It needs a lot of work. Obviously the beater condition reduces value. In SF you could ask $200 and probably get it, but $75-100 is more realistic in Arcata. Nice project for some college student or whatever.

I don't really care for the strip and flip thing, but some those parts are worth more than the bike as a whole in it's current beat up state.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
Just remember, the name is way cool. Bottecchia was murdered, likely by Mussolini's fascists, likely for being suspected of doing what Bartali did; smuggling fake ID papers to help Nazi targets safely leave Italy. The operation was fairly secret, so much so that no one knows if Bottecchia was actually doing that, or if the fascists thought it was him instead of Bartali. It's more likely that Bottecchia was actually doing the smuggling, too, because no one ever went after Bartali for it. Somehow Bottecchia either got caught or was under such strong suspicion that the fascists had no problem murdering a well-known cyclist.
as a proud anti-fascist, i now need a bottecchia.
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For someone who likes to fix up old bikes, this bike has some value in its parts. It also has some rust issues. The bike is maybe worth $50-$75 as it sits, maybe more if the hubs aren't crunchy. A lot depends on whether the parts are salvageable and that is impossible to tell from pictures.

For someone looking for a bike to just ride, $50 is generous given the time and expense it will take to fix up.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
Just remember, the name is way cool. Bottecchia was murdered, likely by Mussolini's fascists, likely for being suspected of doing what Bartali did; smuggling fake ID papers to help Nazi targets safely leave Italy. The operation was fairly secret, so much so that no one knows if Bottecchia was actually doing that, or if the fascists thought it was him instead of Bartali. It's more likely that Bottecchia was actually doing the smuggling, too, because no one ever went after Bartali for it. Somehow Bottecchia either got caught or was under such strong suspicion that the fascists had no problem murdering a well-known cyclist.
cool story.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
Just remember, the name is way cool. Bottecchia was murdered, likely by Mussolini's fascists, likely for being suspected of doing what Bartali did; smuggling fake ID papers to help Nazi targets safely leave Italy. The operation was fairly secret, so much so that no one knows if Bottecchia was actually doing that, or if the fascists thought it was him instead of Bartali. It's more likely that Bottecchia was actually doing the smuggling, too, because no one ever went after Bartali for it. Somehow Bottecchia either got caught or was under such strong suspicion that the fascists had no problem murdering a well-known cyclist.
This is new to me!!! Makes me want a bottechia!

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as a proud anti-fascist, i now need a bottecchia.
+1

It's like the anti-Porsche.
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Thanks, everyone; your responses were more than I'd hoped! I suspect we'll be asking $20, unless we can find an aficionado who knows what a Bottecchia is.
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I'd pay 20 for it...
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That's going to sell pretty fast at $20!
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This is what your Model Special looked like before time and the environment got to it...



Personally, I would not sell it for less than $100. The bike will clean up very well, in my opinion. And, for what it is worth, I got it for twenty bucks. It was all I could do to keep a straight face when the seller insisted on $20 and not a penny less!-)
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I own a 1989 Bottecchia that I bought new back in 1989. It is built with Columbus SLX steel. I run Ambrosio Excellence wheels mated to Campy Record hubs. I recently "upgraded" to Campy Athena 11 speed.

The bike rides and shifts better than when it was new.



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Those Professionals with the chromed lugs and stays are so attractive.
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