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kingston 09-03-16 07:11 PM

Nitto Light and Light 65
 
I picked up a nitto handlebar today that says Light and Light 65 B65LL and can't find anything about it online. Does anyone know anything about this handlebar?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/oN...=w1920-h654-no

canklecat 04-06-19 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by kingston (Post 19030987)
I picked up a nitto handlebar today that says Light and Light 65 B65LL and can't find anything about it online. Does anyone know anything about this handlebar?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/oN...=w1920-h654-no

Old thread, I know, but coincidentally I just discovered a new-to-me bike has the handlebar the OP was asking about. I'll attach some photos.

The handlebar is marked Nitto B65LL Tokyo on the left side of the clamp section (facing the bar from the front), and Tioga on the right. There might be other markings but on my sample it's pretty scuffed up from years of use. However it matches the photos on this auction.

On the upper surface on the left side drop (from the rider's perspective), it's marked:
A7075
420
ZZ

There's fairly little info online, so I'm guessing this handlebar predates the web. Nitto has made so many variations of drop bars, some with very minor differences, I'm guessing this one didn't gain much attention. But it's a good, basic shallow or compact drop in a very conventional criterium configuration.

The bar measures 42cm c-t-c at the drop ends, presumably the 420mm marked on the bar. The drop measures 15cm c-t-c, fairly shallow (the WinPista drops on my '89 Centurion Ironman measure 18cm), and the drop length is fairly short. There's little or no flare.

The B65LL feels very light. I don't have a scale to check the weight but it feels subjectively lighter than my Ironman's Win Pista, and even lighter than the very light Cinelli Eubios. It's a good match for the older Trek 5900 OCLV carbon frame the B65LL was mounted on.

I doubt I'd notice the difference on a heavier bike. But even on a heavier steel bike a lighter bar can affect felt weight and handling -- my Univega Via Carisma came with a heavy steel flat bar, and I later switched to a steel riser bar. But switching to a very light heat treated aluminum albatross bar last summer really lightened the bike's front end. There are a few intersections where I often need to stop on a slight incline, and when I start pedaling from a full stop or slow roll, the front wheel tends to lift a few inches. That never happened with the steel bars. So even on a 30 lb bike a few ounces can affect the feel, at least on the front end and wheels.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a31e1858a.jpeg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...350d9d2fb.jpeg
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Bianchigirll 04-07-19 08:47 AM

What bike are they on? I suspect they were a stock bar branded for Tioga which I think was a Diamond Back accessory line in the late ‘80s early ‘90s.

kingston 04-07-19 10:03 AM

Mine don't say Tioga. I was buying a set of wheels and ended up in the guys basement looking at his bike collection as often happens to me. I saw the bars in a pile of parts, liked the shape and offered the guy twenty five bucks for the bars and the stem. Seemed like a fair price. Now they're sitting in a pile of parts in my basement instead of his. Ironically, I found a set of wheels I liked better a few weeks later, so the wheels I bought are in pile in my basement too.

T-Mar 04-07-19 11:30 AM

The B65LL was Nitto's top of the line road handlebar in the late 1980s to early 1990s. Canklecat's bar is from December 1992. The A7075 refers to the heat treated aluminum alloy. As noted, 420 is the bar width. Reach was 95mm and drop was 135mm. Claimed weight varied from 270-282g, depending on bar width.

Tioga was not affiliated with Diamond Back, other than as a parts source. At the time, Diamond Back was owned by Western States Imports, who marketed their contract manufactured bicycle parts and accessories under the Avenir brand name.

zukahn1 04-07-19 04:44 PM

These would as said be a top line medium size profile bar set circa 89-92 likely OEM on last of the era Japanese built bike. Great find about as good as it gets for classic drop bars.

canklecat 04-07-19 11:32 PM


Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 20873439)
What bike are they on? I suspect they were a stock bar branded for Tioga which I think was a Diamond Back accessory line in the late ‘80s early ‘90s.

Dunno the origin of this particular "Tioga" brand but it seems to appear occasionally on high end bikes, including the cap and spacer on this identical purple Trek 5900 with the same Ibis titanium stem as mine.

The "Tioga" labeled Nitto B65LL bar on mine came from another project. I intended to buy only the frame from texaspandj since he only wanted the Dura Ace components. But he was kind enough to put the Trek 5900 frame into riding shape with components from his own bin.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4381d79d9a.jpg

Tioga cap and spacer with Ibis titanium stem. My Trek 5900 frame came with the same stem but different cap and no spacer.



Originally Posted by T-Mar (Post 20873669)
The B65LL was Nitto's top of the line road handlebar in the late 1980s to early 1990s. Canklecat's bar is from December 1992. The A7075 refers to the heat treated aluminum alloy. As noted, 420 is the bar width. Reach was 95mm and drop was 135mm. Claimed weight varied from 270-282g, depending on bar width.

Tioga was not affiliated with Diamond Back, other than as a parts source. At the time, Diamond Back was owned by Western States Imports, who marketed their contract manufactured bicycle parts and accessories under the Avenir brand name.

Thanks for the info! It's a good bar. I tried a Cinelli Eubios Sunday but after a 30 mile ride I realized I preferred the Nitto B65LL. The Nitto is like a dinky version of the Win Pista bar that came with my Ironman, so it feels familiar but better.

The Eubios has a smaller diameter top tube and feels too skinny without heavily padded bar wrap. And as much as I thought I'd like the ergo bend drops they didn't grab me immediately -- when I stood to pedal on a climb while using the drops, a la Pantani, it felt very unsteady. Usually I'm comfortable standing to pedal while using the drops for short steep climbs or sprints, but not with the Eubios drops. I may try changing the bar angle a bit and ride again. But I suspect I'll put the Nitto back on soon. The Eubios would make a good bar for a gravel bike project I have in mind for my Univega.


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