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Old 10-02-16, 08:42 PM
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Restored Richard Sachs

Hi Everyone,

Came across this restored Richard Sachs in Denver. Claiming to be #16 frame ever built by Sachs. Pretty cool stuff if it's true. Wondering what you think the value of something like this is. $1600 seems like too much. Is it less valuable after being restored? How bout the components, I'd wanna make sure they are period correct. Just seems like it might be time for me to thin the herd and upgrade the collection.

Let me know your thoughts!

Thanks much

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Hard to value these, and I have little doubt this could clear 2k on eBay, but this isn't eBay. A rarer, desireable bike like this is worth whatever someone decides it's worth. It could sell tomorrow at 2k and it could sit at that price for a year. I'd probably offer 1000 and negotiate if I wanted one.

I don't like the powdercoat, and it's not the "right" look for the era - definite turn off for me, but others may not care. I think it makes it harder to sell and does limit market. The low s/n is cool, but ATMO would be the first to say he got better as he went on.

How badly do you want it? That's really what it comes down to. Me? With the restoration? I wouldn't spend much.

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Originally Posted by rideandgoseek View Post
Hi Everyone,

Came across this restored Richard Sachs in Denver. Claiming to be #16 frame ever built by Sachs. Pretty cool stuff if it's true. Wondering what you think the value of something like this is. $1600 seems like too much. Is it less valuable after being restored? How bout the components, I'd wanna make sure they are period correct. Just seems like it might be time for me to thin the herd and upgrade the collection.

Let me know your thoughts!

Thanks much

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While I agree with not liking the powdercoat, it looks to be very well done from what I can see and it is what it is. If you doubt the S/N RS may be able to help. I will offer my 2cts, if you can, buy it, plain and simple. I paid about that for my Merz's and was glad to do so, was it to much? Probably, would I do it again? Absolutely. Remember, we may never pass this way again. Don't forget to haggle.
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Definitely worth the asking price, in my opinion. I paid a lot more than that for my Sachs. Yes, it's powder, but it's Spectrum powder, which is a whole tier above everyone else- note that the logos are not decals, they are powder.


Component group could be period correct (potentially even original) depending on actual manufacture date of the frame, as NR stuff was certainly around in the 70's.


Unlike some others on this forum, I'm not put off by a respray or powder coat, especially if it's a bike I intend to keep and ride. If that's the case here, as Merziac said, if you can buy it, go for it.
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I think the rather unique bolt circle diameter and chainring configuration on that "Campy NR" crank could help you pull the price down a little bit...
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I'd buy it just to get those tires. They are like riding on pillows.
I thought 42/52 was a standard on cranks.
Don't see anything wrong with this bike.
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Nice understated custom. If was around $1200-$1300 and my garage had space, it would be on it's way to my house.
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Originally Posted by exxongraftek View Post
I think the rather unique bolt circle diameter and chainring configuration on that "Campy NR" crank could help you pull the price down a little bit...
Tell me more?!
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Originally Posted by rideandgoseek View Post
Tell me more?!
He's hinting that it's not actually a Campy NR crank.

Tires look like the later (last?) generation of Campionato del Mondo.
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Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
Definitely worth the asking price, in my opinion. I paid a lot more than that for my Sachs. Yes, it's powder, but it's Spectrum powder, which is a whole tier above everyone else- note that the logos are not decals, they are powder.


Component group could be period correct (potentially even original) depending on actual manufacture date of the frame, as NR stuff was certainly around in the 70's.


Unlike some others on this forum, I'm not put off by a respray or powder coat, especially if it's a bike I intend to keep and ride. If that's the case here, as Merziac said, if you can buy it, go for it.
Spectrum paint is as good as it gets...there is no question.

To me...it's not the right era paint/logos. There is no right/wrong, it's just individual valuations. I firmly agree with the other posts above that if you're going to keep the bike for a while, don't worry as much about cost. It's almost sure to be a wonderful, well built bike.

I don't think I;ve seen your Sachs rccr...share?
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...if you're looking for (or are into) 70's bikes and American builders, I don't see how you can go wrong with this bike as pictured and at that price. I have a Sachs 70's frame here with fresh paint and nothing in the way of a groupset or decals that I paid 4 or 5 hunnert bucks for, just because it was my size and an early Sachs. Way more than I am usually willing to part with for a bare frame. He has an online presence as e-richie, and he was nice enough to confirm the authenticity of mine (from some photos).

But I doubt anyone would do that sort of labor and money intensive restoration on something that was not authentic.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer View Post
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...if you're looking for (or are into) 70's bikes and American builders, I don't see how you can go wrong with this bike as pictured and at that price. I have a Sachs 70's frame here with fresh paint and nothing in the way of a groupset or decals that I paid 4 or 5 hunnert bucks for, just because it was my size and an early Sachs. Way more than I am usually willing to part with for a bare frame. He has an online presence as e-richie, and he was nice enough to confirm the authenticity of mine (from some photos).

But I doubt anyone would do that sort of labor and money intensive restoration on something that was not authentic.
+ 1. I'd buy the bike; it's my size too but the seller said no Nigerian money orders, sigh

This bike looks immaculate and the powder coat means that it will make a good daily rider.

I just had a 1978 Trek TX 900 powdercoated because I wanted a durable paint job.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer View Post
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...if you're looking for (or are into) 70's bikes and American builders, I don't see how you can go wrong with this bike as pictured and at that price. I have a Sachs 70's frame here with fresh paint and nothing in the way of a groupset or decals that I paid 4 or 5 hunnert bucks for, just because it was my size and an early Sachs. Way more than I am usually willing to part with for a bare frame. He has an online presence as e-richie, and he was nice enough to confirm the authenticity of mine (from some photos).

But I doubt anyone would do that sort of labor and money intensive restoration on something that was not authentic.
I don't think I've seen yours either. We might need a show off your Sachs thread. That sounds wrong somehow.

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Originally Posted by rideandgoseek View Post
Hi Everyone,

Came across this restored Richard Sachs in Denver. Claiming to be #16 frame ever built by Sachs. Pretty cool stuff if it's true. Wondering what you think the value of something like this is. $1600 seems like too much. Is it less valuable after being restored? How bout the components, I'd wanna make sure they are period correct. Just seems like it might be time for me to thin the herd and upgrade the collection.

Let me know your thoughts!

Thanks much

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I would say the bike is worth around $1200 and likely wouldn't sell at that price the way it's being sold. I have seen it listed in Colorado Springs and the neighboring areas for several months at least and it's not moving.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
I don't think I've seen yours either. We might need a show off your Sachs thread. That sounds wrong somehow.
... doesn't look like much except it has decent fresh red paint and needs decals. Still just a frame waiting for ambition, and probably a donor bike.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
He's hinting that it's not actually a Campy NR crank.
Ya think ? LOL

Odd that the seller specifically says NR crank.
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I'm not feeling it @ $1900

I know its old but why did it need to be refinished?
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Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
I'm not feeling it @ $1900

I know its old but why did it need to be refinished?
Maybe at $1600 ?
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
Maybe at $1600 ?
Eh. I'd feel comfortable if it dropped below the next lower threshold....

$1499
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Lessons to learn from this refinished Sachs

This bike has a powder coat finish (Never used by R Sachs), and a "decal" style appropriate to almost 20 years newer models.

IF you have a bicycle made by a famous and well thought of craftsman.
IF it needs to be saved from further deterioration, etc., so that it must be refinished.
IF you do not plan to live forever and possible would like pass this bike on to it's next caretaker.

THEN, have it refinished in a style/color(s)/decals that reflect how that builder would have done it originally.

Of course we can do whatever we want with our stuff, it should ride the same no matter, and we can do whatever imaginative paint etc we have a whim for.

But the fact remains, the chances of finding a new appreciative owner goes down like a stone when you try to get someone pay for your "flight of imagination"...
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
Ya think ? LOL

Odd that the seller specifically says NR crank.
I think the seller refers to NR as "Non Record".
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I think the rather unique bolt circle diameter and chainring configuration on that "Campy NR" crank could help you pull the price down a little bit...
The crank is a first-generation Stronglight 99, a rare and desirable item (to some folks anyway) in its own right.
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Eh. I'd feel comfortable if it dropped below the next lower threshold....

$1499


...Attention K Mart shoppers !
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...Attention K Mart shoppers !


LOL....It's still listed for $1600. Is it too high? Wrong time of year?
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