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Old 11-20-16, 08:21 PM
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I know very little about Italian bikes . This seems like a good deal and the seller seems knowledgeable and honest . What do you think of this bike ? Thanks in advance .
Pinarello Treviso frame set

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I've seen it before a couple times on CL I think.
Something about it ... looks like it's a bit rough, and too much $.
Looks like seller is parting the bike out.
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Old 11-20-16, 10:27 PM
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A single cm in head and seat tube caused the whole build to be scraped? Odd.
I hear stems come in multiple lengths and seatposts can be adjusted.

Odd story.
Sweet looking frame.
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Agreed that a cm is not that big a deal (the seller's story is a bit fishy) and that the frame is overpriced.
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To me, the frame is a bit high...and I agree with others...that 1 cm is not a lot (I comfortably ride bikes from 56 cm to 60 cm)...and, with all the "justification," it just sounds like a deal to stay away from...
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I don't think it's as terrible a deal as some others...it is a Pinarello...but for one that isn't very sharp, it's not a bargain for CL either. The story is, to me, irrelevant...and I'm fairly sure that we've had the "montello paint, SL frame" thing before on the forum. Model names...who cares...the issue is the builder, the tubing and the parts.

Being a former generic team bike wouldn't add value anyway...for that to matter you need the bike tied to a specific, prominent rider. Even then, the premium isn't as dramatic as you'd think. Some people would look at that as a negative...as a sign the frame was more used.

I'm not sure why he thinks the s/n on frame and fork matching is unusual? Seems pretty normal to me. I've never researched Pinarello s/ns...

I think I'd pass too...you should be able to get a complete 80s Pinarello like this for a bit under $1000...and after the build up, you'd be in for a good bit more here. They aren't that uncommon.
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Hi Everybody,

I have bought last week a vintage bike, full chrome,
wich seemed to be Pinarello.
It is a nice old vintage bike, even if this is a replica.

But I did not found much info about it.
Is there somebody, who recognise this logos?

https://benkeikovacs.wixsite.com/balazs/bike

I add the logos, I found on it.
I uploaded to my site: the logo on the fork,
on the frame and the Head Badge.

Could be this a real Pinarello frame, which was transported and
completed /finished in Germany, by a private manufacturer
at the end of the 60's early 70's?

Or a german replica from the 70's?


Thanks in advance for your help,
I am a little it lost with this...

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Old 11-21-16, 10:12 AM
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Pinarello Logo - fake or old?

Hi Bikemates,

I bought last wee a nice vintage Pinarello bike,
full chrome, very nice, from the 70’s, but I am not sure, that
it is fake or replica.

The logo are very strange on it.

Do you recognise theese?
https://benkeikovacs.wixsite.com/balazs/bike

(Logo on the fork, ont he frame, head badge)

I would be very appreciate, if you could help me,
I am a little bit lost with it.

Best regards: BKBalazs
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Old 11-21-16, 10:13 AM
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Pinarello

Hi Bikemates,

I bought last wee a nice vintage Pinarello bike,
full chrome, very nice, from the 70’s, but I am not sure, that
it is fake or replica.

The logo are very strange on it.

Do you recognise theese?
https://benkeikovacs.wixsite.com/balazs/bike

(Logo on the fork, ont he frame, head badge)

I would be very appreciate, if you could help me,
I am a little bit lost with it.

Best regards: BKBalazs
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Old 11-21-16, 12:44 PM
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Something else is at play, the seller claims the top tube is too long but he has a Long stem in place….

Love the team bike speculation.

Matching fork and frame number is often on Italian bikes a batch number or order number.
My Pinarello has them, so do my Colnagos...
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Something else is at play, the seller claims the top tube is too long but he has a Long stem in place….

Love the team bike speculation.

Matching fork and frame number is often on Italian bikes a batch number or order number.
My Pinarello has them, so do my Colnagos...
Add De Rosa to the list.
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Old 11-21-16, 01:33 PM
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One day left, no bids, same price, about the same size, fully built. Minus the useless speculation.

Vintage Pinarello Treviso 54 CM | eBay
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Originally Posted by johnnyace View Post
One day left, no bids, same price, about the same size, fully built. Minus the useless speculation.

Vintage Pinarello Treviso 54 CM | eBay
That's gotta hurt , I have never seen a Pinarello offered at $500.
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Originally Posted by BKBalazs View Post
Hi Everybody,

I have bought last week a vintage bike, full chrome,
wich seemed to be Pinarello.
It is a nice old vintage bike, even if this is a replica.

But I did not found much info about it.
Is there somebody, who recognise this logos?

https://benkeikovacs.wixsite.com/balazs/bike

I add the logos, I found on it.
I uploaded to my site: the logo on the fork,
on the frame and the Head Badge.

Could be this a real Pinarello frame, which was transported and
completed /finished in Germany, by a private manufacturer
at the end of the 60's early 70's?

Or a german replica from the 70's?


Thanks in advance for your help,
I am a little it lost with this...

BKBalazs
These came up recently in conversation...it's a genuine German Pinarello and, at most, was a licensing deal and more likely a coincidence in names. The ones I've seen were all pretty low end. They aren't special or valuable, if that's what you're asking.

I'll try and find the thread for you...

EDIT: here...

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...pinarello.html

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I sold a complete (and immaculate) Pinarello Gavia--which was a couple levels up from the Treviso--for $600. I don't live in much of a sellers market, but I can reiterate as others have here that $500 for just the frame is a bit steep. I think between $300-400 would be more reasonable.
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That's gotta hurt , I have never seen a Pinarello offered at $500.
I don't see anything in the eBay listing that convinces me it is a Treviso. The decals are almost certainly replacements, so it might not even be Columbus SL tubing. The seller should have included more detail pics. As for the price, I bought my 1984 Pinarello Gran Turismo for $550 locally with a full SunTour Superbe build and it is Columbus SL. So I'm not terribly surprised that it's selling for that price. Besides, who knows what might happen in the last 30 seconds of the auction.


As for the frame in the OP, I think it looks nice. It's not a "killer price" but I don't think it's terribly over-inflated. I'd have to see it in person to say how much I'd pay. I've never seen a Treviso with interally routed brake cable, but the bottom bracket shell is wrong for a Montello. Maybe it's a Record or Tre Cime?
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Thank you Aaron - this is a great information for me

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Overpriced. I sold a same size Montello this past summer for less than what they are asking for the Treviso. The paint was in very good condition and the decals were shot like many Pinarellos.
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I don't see anything in the eBay listing that convinces me it is a Treviso. The decals are almost certainly replacements, so it might not even be Columbus SL tubing. The seller should have included more detail pics. As for the price, I bought my 1984 Pinarello Gran Turismo for $550 locally with a full SunTour Superbe build and it is Columbus SL. So I'm not terribly surprised that it's selling for that price. Besides, who knows what might happen in the last 30 seconds of the auction.


As for the frame in the OP, I think it looks nice. It's not a "killer price" but I don't think it's terribly over-inflated. I'd have to see it in person to say how much I'd pay. I've never seen a Treviso with interally routed brake cable, but the bottom bracket shell is wrong for a Montello. Maybe it's a Record or Tre Cime?
I see no reason to doubt the seller. The frame uses Pinarello branded dropouts without the adjuster reinforcements, so would be circa 1985-1987. During this period, frames lower than SL did not have crown and stay cap embossing. It would also be atypical to see such extensive chrome on a mid-range frameset built from Matrix/Cromor or Aelle. As noted, it's not a Montello by virtue of the bottom bracket shell, however it does use a Columbus steerer, which was not offered with Aelle or Matrix/Cromor at the time. This indicates it's at least SL. It would also be rare to offer a number peg and internal brake routing on a mid-range frame, with it being far more probable for a customized SL model for a team. Unless, the owner went through considerable time and effort to modify the frameset, the evidence suggests a customized Treviso with Columbus SL.
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Thank you Aaron - this is a great information for me

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Sorry it wasn't better news!
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I see no reason to doubt the seller. The frame uses Pinarello branded dropouts without the adjuster reinforcements, so would be circa 1985-1987. During this period, frames lower than SL did not have crown and stay cap embossing. It would also be atypical to see such extensive chrome on a mid-range frameset built from Matrix/Cromor or Aelle. As noted, it's not a Montello by virtue of the bottom bracket shell, however it does use a Columbus steerer, which was not offered with Aelle or Matrix/Cromor at the time. This indicates it's at least SL. It would also be rare to offer a number peg and internal brake routing on a mid-range frame, with it being far more probable for a customized SL model for a team. Unless, the owner went through considerable time and effort to modify the frameset, the evidence suggests a customized Treviso with Columbus SL.
To clarify, my comments in the first paragraph about questing whether the eBay bike was a Treviso and whether it even had SL tubing referred to this listing:

Vintage Pinarello Treviso 54 CM | eBay

Regarding the CL bike from the original post, I definitely accept your analysis.
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
To clarify, my comments in the first paragraph about questing whether the eBay bike was a Treviso and whether it even had SL tubing referred to this listing:

Vintage Pinarello Treviso 54 CM | eBay

Regarding the CL bike from the original post, I definitely accept your analysis.
OK, I see. Sorry about that. The Ebay bicycle is an early 1980s Pinarello Italia frame, which used Columbus Aelle. The Ebay picture has just enough resolution to see that the Columbus decal has four lines on text on the left hand side of the decal. This is consistent with the Aelle decal of the period.
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