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Old 12-01-16, 02:32 PM
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Pro Centurion

Can someone shed some light on this bike ? My first guess was that it is a Cinelli Centurion .
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Ha, a little more surfin' and I see it is a Cinelli . funny the seller makes no mention .

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No, it is not the Centurion Cinelli Equipe. It is a 1980 Centurion Pro manufactured by Miki of Japan. 100% certain.
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No, it is not the Centurion Cinelli Equipe. It is a 1980 Centurion Pro manufactured by Miki of Japan. 100% certain.
OK , thanks T-Mar . Would you say the seat stays are similar to the Cinelli Equipe ? How do you tell the difference ?
Cinelli Centurion Professional Tange Champion Steel Tubing small size | eBay
OK now I see it , never mind . Thanks for the lesson .

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Neither of those eBay bikes are Cinelli, other than the frame style.

The Cinelli Equipe was, I think, just a 1985 offering. Pictures on this recent thread. https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...e-bicycle.html

The two red eBay bikes mimic Cinelli. The headbadges probably place them prior to 1978, which I think was the first year of the round metal headbadge.

As I sort of understand the convoluted story, it plays out like this:

Acer-Mex bicycles in Mexico hires a frame builder over from Cinelli. He designs their Windsor brand Professional model, which is essentially a knock-off of the Cinelli frames he used to build in Italy. The newly created WSI company in California buys some of the Windsor models and re-badges them.

Subsequently, WSI contracts with a Japanese company called Tano to make their bikes. Tano uses various frame builders over the years, including the one(s) that replicated the Cinelli knock-off design for the Centurion Professional.

To further complicate things, at some point a German company contracts with Tano as well, and starts selling Centurion bikes in Europe, which leads to similar named and designed bikes with those of WSI. If an eBay bike is being sold out of Europe, it's entirely possible it might have been originally sold by the still-existing German Centurion company.

To close the circle, so to speak, WSI ended up actually teaming up with Cinelli for the Equipe in 1985.

I've heard a murmur or two about a prior actual Centurion-Cinelli project in the 1970s; but like all things Centurion, it seems shrouded in fog, like the morning mist on an alpine course.
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I've had my eye on both of those bikes. As has been said, neither are Centurion Cinelli Equipe. Still, very nice bikes. Fortunately both are too small for me, too expensive, and too "overseas seller."
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Originally Posted by markwesti View Post
OK , thanks T-Mar . Would you say the seat stays are similar to the Cinelli Equipe ? How do you tell the difference ?
Cinelli Centurion Professional Tange Champion Steel Tubing small size | eBay
OK now I see it , never mind . Thanks for the lesson .
The 2nd bicycle is a 1979 Centurion Pro by Miki. If you study the 1985 Centurion Cinelli Equipe and the earlier Miki built Centurion Pros, you'll see about a dozen differences in the frames.
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Oh boy , i'm getting some good info . Thanks guys .
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The Centurion Pro in Hungary with the full Superbe (including hubs, pedals, and headset), and the Sakae Ringyo stem... damn near a grail bike for me. I would be tormented if this were my size. I like the look of the earlier Superbe moreso than the later Superbe "Pro."
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