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Old 12-12-16, 02:21 PM
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Vintage Campagnolo Parts

Did not see any forums for parts identification and values so I will try and post here.
I have some Campagnolo parts that came off a pretty old Legnano Roma, I know some of these parts were stock and others appear to be later upgrade/replacements. I would like to know what model Campagnolo parts I have and aproximate age and values. Thanks in Advance!
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Old 12-12-16, 03:08 PM
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The crankset and BB are from 1988 based on the date code square with 41, they look to be Chorus. The brakes look to be Record 2040 short reach from the 80's. The headset and levers look to be from the 70's and maybe pieced together.
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If you do decide to sell, then I'd separate it and sell each piece (component group) separately.

Possibly also divide up the shifters. Something looks backwards about your shifters. Are the levers installed on the wrong side?
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I think the shifter levers are from 2 differnt sets, one has been hollowed out, one not.
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What model do you think headset and levers are?
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Old 12-13-16, 12:26 AM
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Do you have an age of the frame? What kind of bottle cage mounts did it have? Over or under or clamp on bottom bracket cable guide?

The headset could be a Nuovo Record. I don't see any bearings in the photos. Did you keep them? Also, be sure not to lose the crown race. Any spacers?

You also need to determine whether it is English, French, or Italian. I'm guessing Italian as you have an Italian BB. Oh, I see the word "Italy".. maybe that is it.

I'd also guess Nuovo Record for the shifters, but there are quite a few that are quite similar. Some of the photos I've seen identified as Super Record have a raised background and engraved text (which you don't have).

(Nuovo) Record shifters had the loop wingnut that you do have.
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Your Record headset dates between 1970 and about 1975 or so. This is dated by the <C> on the lower cup - and on the crown race, so don't lose that!
I think your bottom bracket dates from around the same time, as the cup lettering style suggests Record instead of later models.
Early Super Record builds used Record shift levers like these, the later ones had the incised text.
One brake has a non-original center nut that looks like alloy. Make sure that center bolt is not a titanium aftermarket piece - popular upgrade BITD.
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Here is link to my original posting regarding the Legnano Roma these parts were on, the general consensus was it was a 70's model
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...omponents.html
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Originally Posted by exxongraftek View Post
Your Record headset dates between 1970 and about 1975 or so. This is dated by the <C> on the lower cup - and on the crown race, so don't lose that!
I think your bottom bracket dates from around the same time, as the cup lettering style suggests Record instead of later models.
Early Super Record builds used Record shift levers like these, the later ones had the incised text.
One brake has a non-original center nut that looks like alloy. Make sure that center bolt is not a titanium aftermarket piece - popular upgrade BITD.
I think that caliper with the non standard fastener, is hiding a bigger mod, the threading may be internal, coupled with oversized bored washers and caliper arms… for a short period this was "cool"
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What people seem to pay most for, relative to what they are, are Campy, top model brake levers......
They always seem to cause head shaking with me, whenever I see asking prices for such simple things
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Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
What people seem to pay most for, relative to what they are, are Campy, top model brake levers......
They always seem to cause head shaking with me, whenever I see asking prices for such simple things
I think quite a few mid-range vintage Italian bikes were given Universal brake levers and callipers, with every other part being Campy. So, it is quite possible the Campy callipers and levers are a bit more rare than other components.

Thinking of vintage parts. The Campy Record, Nuovo Record, & Super Record are all very solid parts, and have maintained their attraction through the years... up to the newest models.

They generally had good chrome, but I'm surprised Campy didn't start using more stainless in their production earlier.

There are, of course, many other competing brands, Mafac, Grand Compe, Dia Compe, Universal, Shimano, Suntour... depending on the actual part. And some of them are also very good and dependable. I still like my old Universal brakes.

I am starting a 1978-ish vintage scratch frame-up build. I'll probably end up with old calipers and new levers... I am eyeing those callipers above, although perhaps I should look at 1 generation older.
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I believe those are the pre-CPSC releases on those calipers, so fairly early in the Campagnolo brake scheme of things.
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thanks for the sharp eyes and fast feedback, I am still not clear though considering a couple varied opinions, here is what I can sum up. Please correct any errors.
Crankset- 1988 Chorus
Brakes-80's Record 2040 Short Throw
Headset- 70's Record or Nuovo Record
Shifters- 70's Nuovo Record
BB-70's Record

The Nuovo part throws me off a little. Is that a version of Record or another term for Record?

Thanks again and also any ideas to values? Im planning to sell them.
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General accepted terminology vs accuracy.
Record was the top level for a time, the rear dérailleur was chromed bronze for example, in 1967 arrived the Nuovo Record rear mechanism. Only part with a model name on it, so... In short order with the arrival of the Nuovo Record bottom bracket (reverse spiraling in the bottom bracket cup bores to expel dirt), update of the bolt hole diameter for the chainrings from 151 to 144 BCD and Record brakes... The now full gruppo, ensemble, became known by most as Nuovo Record. Full Nuovo Record became the acceptable term at the bike shop level long before Campagnolo used it.
Of note, before Super Record, there were the lightweight variations, Superleggero seatpost and Superleggeri (black cage) pedals... Contemporary eBay sellers really mess this all up calling any Black pedal Super Record, and the Record hubs, Super Record... But this is a war on the verge of being lost to the upmarketers.
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Originally Posted by Bike Wolf View Post
thanks for the sharp eyes and fast feedback, I am still not clear though considering a couple varied opinions, here is what I can sum up. Please correct any errors.
Crankset- 1988 Chorus
Brakes-80's Record 2040 Short Throw
Headset- 70's Record or Nuovo Record
Shifters- 70's Nuovo Record
BB-70's Record

The Nuovo part throws me off a little. Is that a version of Record or another term for Record?

Thanks again and also any ideas to values? Im planning to sell them.
I think your brakes are mid-70's due to the flat (not domed) wheel release levers.
The best way to get the going prices for your items is to search "Sold Items" on eBay.
Don't forget to check the little box on the left-hand side of the page.
Look for items in similar condition to yours, then decide if you want to sell faster (price it below the average you find) or if you are willing to wait for a buyer who will pay at or above the average sale price.
Also use this method if you intend to sell locally, just realize that the pirateBay gets between 25-40% more $ for an item. That's so you can give 10-15% back to them and face the hassle of shipping it.
Good luck and have fun!
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So just so Im clear the parts have been ID'd as'

Crankset- 1988 Chorus
Brakes-80's Record 2040 Short Throw
Headset- 70's Record or Nuovo Record
Shifters- 70's Nuovo Record
BB-70's Record

I also was confused as to listing some as Record or Nuovo Record. I was not sure if they were the same thing or different models. Ive had some real good responses on here but Im still a fledgling in the world of Campagnolo and its vague nuances.

Thanks again all!
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I think the calipers are "normal " reach.
Remove the center bolt on the one on the Left to learn the extent of the parts replacement.
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Originally Posted by Bike Wolf View Post
So just so Im clear the parts have been ID'd as'

Crankset- 1988 Chorus
Brakes-80's Record 2040 Short Throw
Headset- 70's Record or Nuovo Record
Shifters- 70's Nuovo Record
BB-70's Record

I also was confused as to listing some as Record or Nuovo Record. I was not sure if they were the same thing or different models. Ive had some real good responses on here but Im still a fledgling in the world of Campagnolo and its vague nuances.

Thanks again all!
I'm not sure there is a difference between Record and Nuovo Record with some parts.

The "Record" came out in the mid 1960's with a steel rear derailleur.

"Nuovo Record" was introduced in 1968 or so with an aluminum rear derailleur.

I'm not sure if they were made at the same time or not. But as far as I can tell, some components were essentially exactly the same between the two.

Strada cranks (older than yours) were packaged with both, I think, although there are some subtle differences. Later cranks were marked with date codes.

Anyway, I'd write that your shifters, headset, and BB are Record/Nuovo Record.

If the rubber comes off of the one shifter that was cut out, then I'd go ahead and pop it off.
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I'm not sure there is a difference between Record and Nuovo Record with some parts.

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I'm not sure if they were made at the same time or not. But as far as I can tell, some components were essentially exactly the same between the two.

...
Anyway, I'd write that your shifters, headset, and BB are Record/Nuovo Record.
Record and NR definitely overlapped for many years. If the cups on the BB have rifling, then they're NR and not Record. NR BBs were only for double chainrings, at least during the period I'm familiar with. There were Record BBs for singles, doubles, or triples.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
I'm not sure there is a difference between Record and Nuovo Record with some parts.

The "Record" came out in the mid 1960's with a steel rear derailleur.

"Nuovo Record" was introduced in 1968 or so with an aluminum rear derailleur.

I'm not sure if they were made at the same time or not. But as far as I can tell, some components were essentially exactly the same between the two.

Strada cranks (older than yours) were packaged with both, I think, although there are some subtle differences. Later cranks were marked with date codes.

Anyway, I'd write that your shifters, headset, and BB are Record/Nuovo Record.

If the rubber comes off of the one shifter that was cut out, then I'd go ahead and pop it off.
The Record crankset arrived in 1958, it was coupled with the one piece aluminum hubs that would eventually be stamped Record, then yes,1967 but for the masses, 1968 arrived the Nuovo Record rear mechanism and brake set and Nuovo Record bottom bracket.
The brake set was Record. It completed the full group, that would soon be known popularly as Nuovo Record.
Campagnolo did not worry about this at the time. Bike shops found it easy to explain calling a full group Nuovo Record.
It would have gotten quite messy soon enough, with the introduction of the aluminum caged pedals, superleggero seat post as lightweight options, these had staggered intro through 1971.
1973 brought Super Record but the production group did not match the catalog illustrations completely.
So, don't trust the catalogs. They were not annual anyway. There were supplements too.
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