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Restored Vianelli frame. Worth it?

Old 12-23-16, 09:31 AM
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Restored Vianelli frame. Worth it?

I'm eyeing this restored Vianelli frame set and am curious to know whether it's worth the price? Seller listed $430. I know Vianelli has only shown up a few times on this forum, but I would be grateful for any other info/guesses on this frame. Thank you!
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Old 12-23-16, 11:03 AM
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For a lesser known brand with what I'm guessing is likely SL tubing with good but kinda boring and heavy looking repaint $450 seems on the high side. I would think more like $250-300 maybe bit less if you have to deal with shipping and can't inspect the frame in person.
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Old 12-23-16, 11:09 AM
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I'd pass. While the fork does have a Columbus decal and Campagnolo dropouts, I'm wondering it is is an actual match to the frame. The bottom bracket has square cut collars, no cut-outs and uses a plastic cable router. The chain stay bridge is a plain tube without any reinforcing tangs, though it does use a cast seat stay bridge. The joints on the rear dropouts are relatively unfinished and there's no visible markings on them. They do not look like they are fully inserted into the seat sty slots or the stays were cut a bit short. The stay end finishing on the rear drouts does not match that used on the forks. There are no pictures of embossing on the lugs, so I'm assuming there isn't any, like the stay caps. While the work on the frame appears to clean, except for the dropout insertion, it is covered by a very heavy coat of paint. The general appearance is that of a mid-range, mass produced frame. As for the fork, I've never seen that embossing on a Vianelli. They typically used Olympic rings, sometimes in conjunction with a star, to symbolize Pierfranco Vianelli's victory in the 1968 Olympic road race. IMO, this isn't even worth 1/2 the price.
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Old 12-23-16, 11:25 AM
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I have one of these - i also bought it with a pretty heavy paint coat on it - unidentified tubeset, but the bare frame weighed 4 lbs 2 oz and had a 27.2 seat tube, - so i assume it is an acceptable grade of tubeset, but does not have the telltale columbus sl ridges or anything

I'd say $430 is a top of the range price for this one if you can document the tubing as being something worthwhile (SL, SLX, TSX, Nivacrom, etc etc) - thats what you could buy a similar Basso or Ciocc for possibly or a very nice Batavus, Olmo, Bottecchia, that type of thing

That said, id take T-Mar's advice to heart on this one. You dont want to pay top dollar (lira, euro, peso or otherwise) for a mid range club racer model with fresh paint
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Yes you should likely pass on this one. I would suggest you keep an eye on the for sale section here at the bike forums and maybe post a WTB offer I have seen nicer definite SLX framesets with no potential issues selling for under $300 lately.
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Definitely not the fork that originally came with the frame- check out the threading on the steer tube!
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Definitely not the fork that originally came with the frame- check out the threading on the steer tube!
Add a crown race, bottom bearings, bottom cup, top head tube race, more bearings, then the top cup, you might come close to reaching the threads, but one may still be a little short. Maybe try pushing a threadless headset down onto it, then top it off with two locknuts. Or more threading.

Is that 1 1/8" threaded? Not uncommon on the MTB market, but quite rare on the road market. That alone might deter me.
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I don't know, man. That's a buttload of stack...
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I don't know, man. That's a buttload of stack...
+1....frame is over priced, pass and find one that you know the history on i.e. not a respray, thick paint can hide a lot of issues.
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Thank you all so much for your detailed feedback and advice! I'm still familiarising myself with technical terms and being able to identify specific parts and their functions. As for the frame, I was heavily suspicious of the thick paint and what seemed even to my newbie eyes to be no distinguishing details to verify authenticity and condition. I'll keep looking and will post a WTB soon. Really appreciate all your help! Thanks again.
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I'm still familiarising myself with technical terms and being able to identify specific parts and their functions
Learning how to determine Vintage Bicycle Quality will prove helpful, I hope.
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Originally Posted by randyjawa View Post
Learning how to determine Vintage Bicycle Quality will prove helpful, I hope.
I'm about to lose myself on that page for a couple hours. Thank you so much!!!
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