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Maruishi Emperor vs. Giant Perigee?

Old 01-22-17, 10:49 PM
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Maruishi Emperor vs. Giant Perigee?

Hey all, I am just getting into road biking and am checking out 2 different older bikes on Wednesday. I've been trying to do some research on these bikes but I don't really even know where to start. It will be mainly used for commuting to class and riding around town. What are y'all's opinions on one vs. the other? Any indicators that one may be a better choice?

Here are the photos for the two since I can't post links because I'm a newbie. Thanks in advance for your help!


and the Maruishi with description from craigslist:
My boyfriend is a bike enthusiast and he has too many bikes so we're selling his beloved vintage Japanese 1986 Maruishi "Emperor" 10 speed commuter bike. It has served him well and he's put a lot of work into it. It has a new Sta Tru rear rim, new front tire, new bar wraps, a new seat that matches and new inner tubes. It is perfect for riders 6' and taller. It is ready for you to ride off into the sunset. The price for the bike is fair and firm. Let me know if you have any questions and/or if you would like to schedule a time to come take a look and give it a spin.
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Old 01-23-17, 07:48 AM
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Welcome Retcar. Those 2 bikes are vastly different size frames. #1 priority is figure out what size bike fits you. Just google it. Then start shopping.
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Old 01-23-17, 07:50 AM
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Well, first off: those bikes are drastically different sizes. How tall are you?
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Old 01-23-17, 08:03 AM
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I am 6', 32in leg length. The emperor claims to be good for my height, how can you tell that the other one is a different size?
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The first bike for sure will fit as it appears to be a 24" (but I'd bet 25") seat tube length. The head tube on the first bike is longer which means it is taller also.

Are you 32 pant inseam, or actual cycling specific measurement?
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Old 01-23-17, 08:20 AM
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Look at the difference in headtube length (where the handlebars go into).

At 6ft, the Giant will be way too small. The Maruishi is pretty tall but should fit okay. It looks to be a lower level bike with very relaxed geometry. Since you're looking to get into road cycling, the Maruishi should be fine for for basic errand running or strolling around the neighborhood. If you intend to start beating your buds to the next sprint point, you'll need something speedier.
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Old 01-23-17, 10:13 AM
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I see what y'all mean about the size difference, I didn't know what to look for. I wear a 34 length pants inseam. I followed a online sizing guide and I measured roughly 32 based on those instructions. It does look like the giant will be way too small.

Is there any reason to be concerned about the quality of the maruishi?
What should I look for when checking it out?
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...Is there any reason to be concerned about the quality of the maruishi?
What should I look for when checking it out?
Maruishi has been around for a very long time, since 1884 an importer and since 1894 as a bicycle manufacturer. After some corporate restructuring a decade or so ago, Maruishi moved it's manufacturing from Japan to China.

As a proud owner of an 80's Maruishi Professional I would have no problems adding another to my little stable.

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Old 01-23-17, 12:21 PM
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Well thanks for your help all, I look forward to spending more time on these forums once I've got my bike on the road.
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I'm 6'1" (with a long torso). And, just by looking I can tell that Maruishi would be too big for me. But, that's still a pretty interesting bike. (Avoid buying bikes that are too big).
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Assist:

Vintage Maruishi 10 Speed Commuter Bike - $150 (Athens, GA)

Vintage Maruishi 10 Speed Commuter Bike




If that bike proves to be too large, I think you could consider this 23" '81 or '82 Schwinn Super Sport (even with its suspicious replacement fork).

Schwinn Super Sport - $140 (athens, GA)

Schwinn "Super Sport" Bike


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Thanks for the assist on those links. I looked at the Schwinn, but just from a buyers perspective I get a strange feeling from the ad. It looks more like some hipsters wall hanger given some of the artsy photo angles and distressed floors. I'm concerned it might be pretty out of shape
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Let's restart since I think we probably have you worried at this point. First, welcome to the forum!

As far as the quality, I think the Maruishi looks like a good deal for a bike that is ready to ride. It's probably a higher quality than I first indicated (turkey levers threw me off). Bikes like the Schwinn would be more of a project purchase for a person who is just getting into cycling.

As far as size, you are proportioned similar to me (6'1" w/ 32" tailored dress slack inseam, 34" most jeans). My ideal vintage bike size is right around 59cm measuring the seat tube from center of bottom bracket to where it connects at the center of the top tube. I ride vintage bikes ranging from 56cm to 62cm and am perfectly comfortable on each. I'm going to guess the Maruishi is a 60cm and would fit you with minor adjustments and no additional parts needed.

I've included a photo below showing 3 different sizes I ride. Zoom in on the headtubes and see how they look compared to the Maruishi. Not scientific but a good indicator.

The pics with the center-to-center measurements I've taken:

1) 56cm Raleigh. Technically too small for me but I like my racing bikes this way. Lots of $ in parts to make it fit me.

2) 60cm Centurion. What I consider to be my best fit of these three.

3) 62cm Specialized. Probably considered too big but you'll see I still lifted the seatpost and stem to ride. Just not as much post and stem showing as the Centurion.

There you have it. I bet the Maruishi fits fine. Stop reading an go buy it!!!

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Thank you Mr. Plonz, I've arranged to give it a test ride on Wednesday, I was getting a little worried the fit would be wrong but it sound like we are in the ballpark based on your description but I am feeling more confident now. My town has a great biking community and my roommate is picking up a new road bike this week as well. I'm very much looking forward to getting into the sport.
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I'm 6'0" with 34" inseam and I fit best on 57-58 cm bikes. I prefer not to have the seat 'slammed' (all the way down onto the seat tube, as is the case now with the Maruishi). I like the old ideal of about a 'fistful' of seatpost showing between the seat tube and the saddle. This is for steel bikes with flat/horizontal top tubes. These bikes usually have quill stems, which aren't usually as adjustable, so if you get a frame that is too small, it can be hard to get the handlebars up where you want them (too much stem is exposed, and if it's way too small, you get too much seatpost showing (they both have a 'minimum insertion line'). Too big a frame, and you can feel too stretched out.

Go ride some bikes, and see what size classic road bike feels right to you. Take some Allen keys with you and ask if you can adjust the saddle height for your test rides. This will also let you assess if the seat post is seized into the seat tube, which happens with alloy seat posts and older steel frames fairly readily (and dramatically decreases the value of the bike). If you test ride the Maruishi, make sure when you sit on the saddle in a normal riding position, with hands comfortably on the bars (and someone holding the bike up), that you can put your heel on the pedal. If you have to shift your hips to do that, then your leg will be too extended to pedal comfortably.

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Old 01-25-17, 08:11 AM
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The Maruishi looks way too big for 6', I'm the same size as you and tried to ride a 62cm nishiki of similar vintage and it was not even close and I think the Maruishi looks closer to 63/64. You should be looking for 56-60 with 58/59 the sweet spot imho.
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Old 01-27-17, 09:58 AM
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I got the Maurishi! The standover height is not ideal but the fit when I'm riding feels like a dream. I just bought a lock so I can commute to campus. Thanks all, I felt much more prepared going to look at it than I would have without the help I received here.
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Congrats on your new ride! Glad to hear it worked out.
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