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Mystery frame w/Phil & Campy - value?

Old 03-19-17, 09:01 AM
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Mystery frame w/Phil & Campy - value?

Pickup up this bike yesterday with the intent of reselling, but unsure of value. Would like to sell whole rather than parting out. Other than a couple chainring bolts missing and no pedals, looks pretty complete.

I have this info from the seller:

--Custom built from Columbus SL, 54x54cm, 73 degree angles, 39.5cm wheelbase, 1-1/4" fork rake

--All lugs, BB, fork crown & dropouts are investment cast, Prugnat S-4 lugs, Cinelli 70mm BB, Haden sloping fork crown, Campy 1060 vertical rear dropout

--C-Record short reach brakes, crank & BB; Campy Super Record headset & derailleurs

--Wheels are Mavic Reflex w/Phil Wood sealed bearing hubs, 3 cross, 14/16 ga. DT Swiss stainless spokes, Winner S 13-26 7 speed freewheel

In addition, it has Suntour barcons, Ritchey Pro Biomax bars, Profile H20 quill stem & Shimano aero brake levers.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 03-19-17, 09:20 AM
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The brakes aren't c-record...c-record would be cobaltos or deltas. This is a case where the sum of the parts is worth less IMO...as a complete bike you have a no name frame (though what looks like a reasonably nice one with henry james lugs) and a frankenstein of things that, while all high quality, many won't want together. Essentially this is a buyer's bike, not a sellers...it's a bike where someone gets a very nice bike at a low price as a rider.

Complete, as it sits, I think you're going to struggle to hit $400 on ebay or CL, and I think CL is a better approach. The parts are worth a lot more, but the whole is a buyer's special/donor bike as things sit.

It looks maybe like a Dave Moulton?
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Old 03-19-17, 09:42 AM
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Thanks, KonAaronSnake. I'm not a Campy expert so details like that would get lost on me. Yes, it's a frankenbike, but at least it's a nice frankenbike! Maybe I will part it out after all.
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Old 03-19-17, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bargainguy View Post
Thanks, KonAaronSnake. I'm not a Campy expert so details like that would get lost on me. Yes, it's a frankenbike, but at least it's a nice frankenbike! Maybe I will part it out after all.
It's a very nice frankenbike, and someone is going to love it if they can buy it whole. I'm not criticizing the bike's quality at all...but, IME, bikes like this don't sell well.

If someone can definitively ID it...depending on the builder (and I think it's a decent one), if you put decals on it could change things.
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Swapping out some stuff would probably help you get a bit more. I'd start with the stem, but the bars and maybe seatpost wouldn't be a bad idea either.
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Old 03-19-17, 11:45 AM
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Good idea, coolkat. And KonAaron, no offense taken....it's just a bike!
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Went looking for a serial # and the only thing I found is what looks like A011 on the BB shell. Anybody have a clue as to what this denotes as far as maker, year or ? I'm assuming it's not a numbering system just for the Cinelli BB.

Also, I looked up the Dave Moulton serial numbering system, and this doesn't appear to match how he numbered them:

https://www.davemoultonregistry.com/
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Old 03-19-17, 02:23 PM
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The Cinelli BB is a good sign for a quality built frame, even if unsure of Mfg.
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Originally Posted by bargainguy View Post
Went looking for a serial # and the only thing I found is what looks like A011 on the BB shell. Anybody have a clue as to what this denotes as far as maker, year or ? I'm assuming it's not a numbering system just for the Cinelli BB.

Also, I looked up the Dave Moulton serial numbering system, and this doesn't appear to match how he numbered them:

Welcome to Dave Moulton's Bicycle Frame Registry
Frame builder S/N. Moulton really was a guess...the seatstay looked like some stuff I've seen from him. Many others here are much better at ID the builder than me...so there's still hope.

I think it's a high level frame from a quality builder.
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It looks like it originally had some kind of Aero DT shifters, but the bar end shifters are a nice touch. I'd probably mount the cable stop above the shifter boss to prevent slippage.

There are a lot of SR parts on the build.
Front & rear derailleurs.
Probably headset (I don't see the SR spacer).
Chainrings are NOT SR. Strada cranks I think were used with several groups. Campy chainring bolts would be a nice touch, but over-priced.

The value of the parts would certainly add up if stripped.

If you can actually identify the frame and get the correct decals, then you may have a $600 or $700 bike, perhaps even more. As others mentioned, a vintage stem, bars would look nice, and aren't too expensive if you can find them used.

If "custom", get the maker's name if possible.
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Old 03-19-17, 03:15 PM
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Interesting features are the vertical rear dropouts with the over the BB cable routing. Also has aero downtube shifter mount. The seat cluster and the coloring made me wonder Cinelli Supercorsa. I'm not an expert but I would think not with that dropout combination. Nice bike.
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Super cool frame. Nice photos, too.
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The shift lever braze-on would suggest the 1982-83 time.


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Thank you all, excellent points. I never cease to be amazed at the arcane knowledge forumites here possess.

While I didn't buy this bike directly from the seller (got it at a swap in the bike corral section), I might have a line on which shop here in town built it up. There was one particular shop that specialized in this type of build. I've seen a few of their bikes where the bike shop name was in big letters on the downtube without a manufacturer or brand name, not just on a shop sticker. I could take it to the shop and see if anyone there remembers what was being done ~35 yr. ago and which framebuilders were being used. If I get any details, I'll report back.
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You might ask around amongst the cycle folk in your area as to whether or not there be any framebuilders whose last names begin with the letter A. This could be someone's eleventh frame...

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Maybe even A O.
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How does the seller know it is custom SL but not know the builder?


Could this be a Univega? Or even an Italavega?
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This bike came from a swap and was in the bike corral. The SL details etc. came on an info sheet tucked under the saddle. I never met the seller directly and don't know who they are. Didn't discover the info sheet until after I got it home, as I don't normally look under the saddle before I purchase - maybe now perhaps I should!

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Update: Contact with the bike shop I suspected confirms my hunch. Bike was built by a framebuilder named Alan Pearce, who worked out of Milwaukee in the 70's and 80's. He built frames for the Rainbow Jersey bike shop then, and that's where this bike came from.

Precious little on the internet about him, but here's another frame he built (looks like a track frame) that had a respray by Yellow Jersey, a Madison (WI) bike shop:

Bicycle Frame Respray at Yellow Jersey
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Good looking bike and a heck of a seatpost. Definitely worth more as a part out but it's a nice bike as is.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
How does the seller know it is custom SL but not know the builder?


Could this be a Univega? Or even an Italavega?
Not constructed with Hank James bits.

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