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Old 04-21-17, 07:43 AM
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Looks like a boom era mid-range model based on the large flange Tipo hubset and steel, cotterless, Gran Sport crankset. I'm assuming the derailleurs are replacements for Valentino Extra based on the shift levers. Frame level is tricky. It might be Columbus but could just as easily be a lesser grade, such as Falck. You could the find the forged Camapgnolo dropouts on both and the components are definitely mid-range, so the tubeset might be another cost concession. Your best indicator of frame level is to measure the seat post diameter and check if the fork has a Columbus steerer.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
Looks like a boom era mid-range model based on the large flange Tipo hubset and steel, cotterless, Gran Sport crankset. I'm assuming the derailleurs are replacements for Valentino Extra based on the shift levers. Frame level is tricky. It might be Columbus but could just as easily be a lesser grade, such as Falck. You could the find the forged Camapgnolo dropouts on both and the components are definitely mid-range, so the tubeset might be another cost concession. Your best indicator of frame level is to measure the seat post diameter and check if the fork has a Columbus steerer.
Is it worth $200 to find out?
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I would say it's worth $200 if everything is in good working order. The nicer campy bits three arm steel crank and hubs are worth more than half that so it would be an OK deal even if it is made of lesser tubing.
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I would say it's worth $200 if everything is in good working order. The nicer campy bits three arm steel crank and hubs are worth more than half that so it would be an OK deal even if it is made of lesser tubing.
+1

There be folk actively seeking this chainset.

We are definitely in the early 1970's here. Hub locknuts should yield a specific date.

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I concur. At $200, I'd be paying a visit (and taking my calipers).
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I think it's one of those "sum is greater than the parts"* bikes. Cool color and size, chromed lugs/socks, plus even mid-range Campy would sell for $350+ in SF Bay Area.

*Edit: Actually you'd get more parting it out, but it's a nice package.
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What FD is it running? Valentino?
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What FD is it running? Valentino?
Front mech is a Maeda "top normal" model, not enough res in image to tell which one.

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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
Front mech is a Maeda "top normal" model, not enough res in image to tell which one.

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Originally Posted by artclone View Post
Anybody ever tell you that you have amazing eyes?


Ha! What a hoot!

At me stage in life [] almost no print is large eno' to be read without spectacles.

Dull satin finish on cage makes me want to rule out Spirt and Compe V. This would leave SL if actually Maeda. OTOH dull finish could be due to it being something like a Yoshi Titlist. These have a dull satin finish on the cage's plating. You be quite well acquainted with this on your Bergie!



Come to think of it, what can be seen of mounting clamp in pictures more resembles Yoshi than Maeda. Perhaps sloar wilst inform us when he has the wheel to hand... Am notorious for getting ID's wrong. Occasionally do manage to get through an entire day without such an error.

Likely the spanner twister who fitted these mechs reused the orignal Campag bb cable guide. The shift levers represent an anachronism as the Velox/Valentino ones, nr. 1206, launched about 1969 while the cycle's Gran Sport chainset did not launch until 1971. So one would think the shift levers represent a manufacturer using up olde stock. Began a discussion thread on these levers here:

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...a-experts.html

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Ha! What a hoot!

At me stage in life [] almost no print is large eno' to be read without spectacles.

Dull satin finish on cage makes me want to rule out Spirt and Compe V. This would leave SL if actually Maeda. OTOH dull finish could be due to it being something like a Yoshi Titlist. These have a dull satin finish on the cage's plating. You be quite well acquainted with this on your Bergie!



Come to think of it, what can be seen of mounting clamp in pictures more resembles Yoshi than Maeda. Perhaps sloar wilst inform us when he has the wheel to hand... Am notorious for getting ID's wrong. Occasionally do manage to get through an entire day without such an error.

Likely the spanner twister who fitted these mechs reused the orignal Campag bb cable guide. The shift levers represent an anachronism as the Velox/Valentino ones, nr. 1206, launched about 1969 while the cycle's Gran Sport chainset did not launch until 1971. So one would think the shift levers represent a manufacturer using up olde stock. Began a discussion thread on these levers here:

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...a-experts.html

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To further totally hijack the thread, I've been looking at various FDs with builtin cable stops like the one on sloar's pictured bike to fit on this unknown frame I'm building up that has the DT FD stop braze-on. I think the only affordable Campy ones ($100 and under) are the matchbox type but I'd love to be wrong.
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Originally Posted by artclone View Post
To further totally hijack the thread, I've been looking at various FDs with builtin cable stops like the one on sloar's pictured bike to fit on this unknown frame I'm building up that has the DT FD stop braze-on. I think the only affordable Campy ones ($100 and under) are the matchbox type but I'd love to be wrong.
If you are open to all makes there are plenty of parallelograms with housing stops. No need to go pushrod. If you need to have it Campag then the Record model from the first ten years of so is probably it. Perhaps you could locate one at one of the SF bay bike co-ops so as to avoid the ebay type values. Also we are getting into bike swap meet season...

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Is that a steel Campagnolo cotterless crankset?
VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo 3320, Sport

How bizarre.

It would be interesting to see tubing details. Is there a decal? My guess is that is a fairly low-end Campy equipped bike that was sold in the Italian domestic market, and came to the USA as a grey market bike. It does seem to have some nicer features like quite a bit of chrome, and apparently not a fork crown cap. But nothing really stands out.

Are those a single wall rim? I can't tell the size 27"?

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Is it worth $200 to find out?
Probably close to its value. As others have mentioned, the bike may be worth at least that in parts. The hubset & skewers are probably worth more than the built wheels.. The crankset may be worth $70 to $100.
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It's been listed for a few weeks at $280. I offered him $200, he responded saying he checked eBay and the cranks are on eBay for $400-600 alone. He raised the price of the bike to$400.
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It's been listed for a few weeks at $280. I offered him $200, he responded saying he checked eBay and the cranks are on eBay for $400-600 alone. He raised the price of the bike to$400.


Was turning over this machine in my "mind" and it occurred to me that it is somewhat reminiscent of the "model b" Mirella of ca. 1973. Not to assert any relation. The Weinmann sidepull brakes are slightly an odd find on an Italian machine.

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The first time I talked with him he told me $250. He now says he will still honor the $250, but add $20 in gas.
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Originally Posted by artclone View Post
...I've been looking at various FDs with builtin cable stops...
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If you are open to all makes there are plenty of parallelograms with housing stops....
+1. Early SunTour FD units had cable housing stop provisions, including versions of 1st generation Cyclone and Superbe. IIRC, Cycloine Mk II had a detachable stop.
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The first time I talked with him he told me $250. He now says he will still honor the $250, but add $20 in gas.
That's not really honoring the $250, is it?
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Well its $250 for the bike and its going to cost me $20 in gas to get to his place. I offered him $200 for that fact. I did email him telling him anyone can list a set of cranks for $600, but he needs to look at the sold items.He's basing the higher price because an ebay listing for the Gran Sport cranks are $300.
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It's been listed for a few weeks at $280. I offered him $200, he responded saying he checked eBay and the cranks are on eBay for $400-600 alone. He raised the price of the bike to$400.
Look at SOLD listings, not wishful thinking listings. Also, those cranks look clean, but not NOS. In particular, the chainrings may be nearly impossible to find in Campagnolo NOS.

But, that is also the risk of offers and counter-offers. It is always possible to back out of the deal. E-Bay puts a time limit on their offers, but also allows them to be cancelled if not accepted yet.

Is it a local sale? Can you go to wherever he is?

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Look at SOLD listings, not wishful thinking listings. Also, those cranks look clean, but not NOS. In particular, the chainrings may be nearly impossible to find in Campagnolo NOS.

But, that is also the risk of offers and counter-offers. It is always possible to back out of the deal. E-Bay puts a time limit on their offers, but also allows them to be cancelled if not accepted yet.

Is it a local sale? Can you go to wherever he is?

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Oh, your gas.

Go by bike

Yeah, its a 30 mile trip. I think I will wait him out, it didn't sell for 2 weeks at $280 hows it gonna sell now at $400.
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He wants part out money without the work.
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Seller is an idiot. Let him stew for awhile. $200-$250, yes.
Likely came with Valentinos originally and a past owner wanted to actually shift the bike efficiently.
The Sport 3320 cranks sell around $125 - $150. Idiots ask more in hopes of luring suckers.
More $ than that - tell him to enjoy riding his overpriced, mismatched steed.
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