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Wondering what you all think of this 1988 Versailles for $135

Old 06-11-17, 11:35 AM
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Wondering what you all think of this 1988 Versailles for $135

I'm looking to get a new Peugeot to replace the UO10 that I had to get rid of after a move. I enjoy the peugeot aesthetics and would like to eventually acquire a few to tinker with. I've actually been looking for a Course or Competition and the Versailles was not a bike that was on my radar, and the colors may be a little too late 80's looking for me, but it still seems like a fun bike and this one seems to be quite clean. I'm not yet well versed in vintage bikes or Peugeot so I thought I'd see what you all thought.


The description simply says "Great shape for the age. Just put brand new Michelin Classic tires and conti race tubes. New bar tape and shifter hood." Here are some pics:

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Old 06-11-17, 11:51 AM
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Looks like it's in great shape. It was one of Peugeot's lower-end models, but then again so was your UO-10. Doesn't mean it can't be a nice rider. Being an '88 model, it's recent enough to not have any French sized/threaded parts, which makes it easier to work on if you need to replace anything.

bikeboompeugeot.com has Peugeot catalog scans so you can look up detailed specs. Here's the Versailles in the 1988 Peugeot catalog:
http://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broch...0Page%2010.jpg

As for the price, it's hugely dependent on where you are. $135 might be a little high for my rural neck o' the woods, but it's not out of the ballpark. On the other hand, the bike could easily sell for more than that in a hotter bike market like NYC.

Also... How tall are you? This Versailles looks to have a 57 cm (23") frame, which should fit a rider about 5'11" or 6'0".

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Hey thanks for the response! I'm in a college town so I guess the price makes sense. Also, I'm 5'11" so that would be perfect, although the owner says its a 55. That being said, he had also just learned how to measure a road bike, so he may have been a little off. I imagine even a 55 would work for me.

I'm not a hardcore rider., so I doubt I would even notice anything that makes this bike lower end. I thought my UO10 was a nice ride. I use my bike for commuting around the neighborhood and campus when I was still in school. I'm looking to get into longer rides though. At the moment the goal is to just get a nice looking Peugeot that is easy to tinker with (this one seems ideal for that as it's newer like you say) and learn a little while still being able to have a nice ride around town. I would prefer a mid 70's to early 80's model as I prefer the look of them, but I don't hate the way this bike looks either, although I think I would switch the blue handlebar wrap to white and throw a black wrack on it.

Speaking of racks, while i'm here, where would people recommend looking for period appropriate racks? What should I avoid? Thanks!

Also, is there a better way to post pics on this forum?
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Between the size, the price point, and what you're looking for, it seems like this bike would be a good fit for you.

As for being lower-end, it's a matter of frame construction and components. This bike is make from Peugeot's own house brand tubing versus lighter/thinner/stronger tubing from makers like Reynolds or Vitus. Basically, the frame and fork are a few ounces heavier than more expensive ones. The components on this bike are decent, just as functional but not as light or as polished as the ones you'd find on expensive race bikes from the same period. On the whole, it's a good bike -- just not quite as light, nimble, or flashy as an expensive one.

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...the owner says its a 55...
Sellers are OFTEN wrong about size. With a little experience, you can estimate frame size by looking at the length of the head tube (where the fork passes through the frame). The bigger the frame, the longer the head tube.

I can guarantee this bike isn't a 55, though. If you check the catalog scan I linked above, you can see that Peugeot didn't offer this model in a 55 cm size. I can tell by looking that this bike is at least a few cm bigger than a 54, which is my size. Going up from there, the Versailles was sold in 57, 60, and 62 cm sizes.

Whatever the number, the most certain way to know if it fits is to take it for a test ride.

Originally Posted by CountMeOut View Post
...the goal is to just get a nice looking Peugeot that is easy to tinker with (this one seems ideal for that as it's newer like you say) and learn a little while still being able to have a nice ride around town. I would prefer a mid 70's to early 80's model...
If you're looking for "easy to tinker with", late '70s and early '80s Peugeots are bikes to avoid. They're not bad, but that's roughly the time period that Peugeot switched from French sizing and threading on components to the English/ISO standards used by the rest of the world. When working on a bottom bracket (crankset) on a 1980-ish Peugeot, you'd need to identify whether you're dealing with French, Swiss, or English/ISO threading. And if it's not English/ISO, your options for replacement parts will be limited.

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Speaking of racks, while i'm here, where would people recommend looking for period appropriate racks? What should I avoid? Thanks!
In my opinion, the bike's modern enough that a standard black rack like a Blackburn EX-1 or Topeak Explorer would look right at home. No need to hunt down something period-specific. I don't see threaded rack eyelets on the frame's seat stays, so you'll probably need to use p-clamps for the rack's upper attachments.
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That bike would be a perfect "starter bike", if you really want to get into C&V bike riding and collecting.
What I love about these base line sport bikes from Peugeot is that you really got a lot of value from them, as even though they have very basic components, the provide excellent riding characteristics, despite the not exotic frame material. It all comes down to how well Peugeot understood what proper frame geometry design counts for on a bike.
I had a PH10S in the 80's, a very similar Peugeot, and I still really miss that bike, even today!
If the bike is indeed in really good condition ( No rust, close to perfect paint and graphics, complete/original components). It is definitely worth the $135 the seller is asking for and would easily sell to many other buyers if you are not quick enough to get it.
Good luck! Hope you get it!
BTW, at 5'-11" the bike could still work for you at 55/56cm size (if that is indeed the size) although it would be on the small side (most would recommend at least a 58cm for your height), you should be able to adjust the seatpost and stem to make it fit you.

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Cool, thanks for the encouragement! I'll probably go for it.
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A bargain with new tires, tubes, tape and hoods, as that's $60 +/-.

700c rims too.
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If you had an OU-18 you already know what you're in for as far as French threading. You really can't go too wrong for $135, but I'd probably try and save another $100 and go for a mid-range 80s Japanese bike.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
If you had an OU-18 you already know what you're in for as far as French threading. You really can't go too wrong for $135, but I'd probably try and save another $100 and go for a mid-range 80s Japanese bike.
Which bikes would you have in mind? I'm really drawn to the look of Peugeots and not many Japanese classics have immediately appealed to me.
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Originally Posted by CountMeOut View Post
Which bikes would you have in mind? I'm really drawn to the look of Peugeots and not many Japanese classics have immediately appealed to me.
If Peugeot speaks to you, for whatever reason, go with what you like. I'm looking at it more from a bottom line sense...alloy rims, cro-mo tubing, likely butted, something like Shimano light action, or even 105.

There are a lot of those Japanese bikes...Centurions, Miyatas, Panasonics, Lotus, etc. It's not about a model, or brand, and more about the features you're getting, and fit of the frame. To me...these bikes have some features that make them a lot more desirable while still being affordable.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
I'd probably try and save another $100 and go for a mid-range 80s Japanese bike.
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I'm looking at it more from a bottom line sense...alloy rims, cro-mo tubing, likely butted, something like Shimano light action, or even 105.
This particular Peugeot actually meets a lot of those criteria:
  • The frame's not Cro-Mo, but it's not gaspipe, either. Peugeot HLE tubing is a Manganese alloy. (Not that I'm comparing them, but so is Reynolds 531.)
  • Rigida aluminum 700c rims, stainless spokes, and Maillard (not Helicomatic) hubs.
  • Shimano Light Action derailleurs (RD-L532 and FD-Z202) and indexed shifters.
  • Nervar forged aluminum crankset.
I'm completely on board when it comes to the quality and practicality of Japanese bikes, but honestly, I think this particular Peugeot, being decently equipped and post-French-threading, is just as practical as a Japanese bike of similar age. And it looks like it's in great condition. And it's supposedly the right size. If @CountMeOut likes the bike, I think he should pull the trigger and buy it before someone else does.

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Originally Posted by SkyDog75 View Post
This particular Peugeot actually meets a lot of those criteria:
  • The frame's not Cro-Mo, but it's not gaspipe, either. Peugeot HLE tubing is a Manganese alloy. (Not that I'm comparing them, but so is Reynolds 531.)
  • Rigida aluminum 700c rims, stainless spokes, and Maillard (not Helicomatic) hubs.
  • Shimano Light Action derailleurs (RD-L532 and FD-Z202) and indexed shifters.
  • Nervar forged aluminum crankset.
I'm completely on board when it comes to the quality and practicality of Japanese bikes, but honestly, I think this particular Peugeot, being decently equipped and post-French-threading, is just as practical as a Japanese bike of similar age. And it looks like it's in great condition. And it's supposedly the right size. If @CountMeOut likes the bike, I think he should pull the trigger and buy it before someone else does.
No argument from me!
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