fireroadie

Hi, I've been shopping for a comfortable vintage mixte and tried out a Peugeot mixte from my local bike dealer today. The geometry was amazing and handled better (more control) than my current Miayata 310 diamond frame. The mixte is about 51-52 cm and doesn't have cotter cranks, so it sounds like a 1980s bike. Can anyone identify it? He was asking $225, which I know is way too much, especially given that the brakes don't work, the pedals are definitely not original, the brake levers seem to be off at an angle, and the drive chain makes a clacking sound when pedaling. But the bike is in Brooklyn, where even low end Peugeots can command a small fortune. Thanks in advance!

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T-Mar

It's a 1983 Peugeot P19. I'll defer to others on value, as I don't know the NYC market, other than it's very high priced.

jj1091

Maybe the local bike dealer can fix those problems for you as part of the deal? It looks like the tires are in need of replacement, the photos show fairly-worn sidewalls. I'd say if the dealer replaced the tires, fixed the drivetrain noise problem, fixed the brakes and adjusted the bars for you, then $225-250 wouldn't be a bad price. Often, I see people get a low-end bike like this one "for a good deal", like $50, then spend several hundred to make it rideable. Unless you're proficient at working on bikes, just make sure it's fully rideable "as-is".

fireroadie

That's a great idea--get the seller to fix the problems with the bike as part of the deal! What they're asking is ridiculously high but everything in NYC is ridiculously expensive. Still, if you're going to fork over a chunk of your salary the product had better be in working condition!

randyjawa 

Funny, one of our forum members, who, strangely enough, has not posted in a while, said that Peugeots are a "dime a dozen" in the New York area. Anyway, one never seems to have a grain of salt when one needs one...

It would not surprise me to see the bike sell for close to what the seller is asking. I would be interested to know. As for the problems noted, they might not be that big of a deal. Something a little lubrication and tuning might be all that it required. That said...

I agree - get the seller to do the tune-up for the price asked. Nothing to loose by asking and, if the Peugeot is then in sound working condition, the price is fair, in my opinion.

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zukahn1 

For a mixte in nice shape with alloy components and wheels $200-250 is about right price wise for a major market. This one has fairly good cosmetics so it will likely sell fairly quick at the asking price.

fireroadie

Ok, I emailed the seller to ask if some of these issues could be fixed before the bike is sold.

I noticed that this Peugeot mixte uses friction shifting and I suspect that the funky clicking sounds coming from the back of the bike is caused by friction shifting not working correctly with worn out gears. I was thinking of upgrading to index shifting but then read that it can be very expensive and require a lot of work. Then I realized that my Miyata 310 already has friction shifting but I didn't know that was what it was called lol. The Miyata rides great. As a vintage bike noob you learn something everyday.

fireroadie

What kind of bike was the 1983 Peugeot P19? Was it low end or mid-range? In terms of quality what was it similar to (or what was its competition--like a Miyata 310, Raleigh Gran Prix, etc)?

It comes with a Simplex SX610T derailleur. Is that any good?

T-Mar

For its era, the P19 would have sat around the transition from entry level to mid-range. The downsides are the Carbolite 103 (hi-tensile) frame, French threads, metric tubing and components, and 27" wheels. The upside is that almost all the componets are aluminum, resulting in a reasonably light bicycle. The Simplex SX610T was a decent derailleur. Nothing great but not poor.

For a fair comparison, we'd need to known the exact vintage of your Miyata 310 but I'd rate the Miyata higher. Typically, Miyata exhibited noticeably better workmanship. Even the oldest verison of the 310 featured a CrMo main triangle. The Suntour and Shimano systems tended to shift better. Early 310 were about the same weight as the P19 but later ones were lighter. Finally, you don't have to deal with the idiosyncrasies of the early 1980s French bicycle industry.

fireroadie

The Miyata 310 seems to be a 1981 model produced in early 1982. Compared to the Peugeot the components are definitely better, including Suntour Arx derailleurs. The only thing I like better about the Peugeot is the frame. The geometry is more comfortable than the Miyata and the ride quality is nicer. Also maybe because it's straight gauge I don't feel road vibrations as much on the Peugeot. The Miyata can give a very bumpy ride on badly paved city streets. Also, for some reason the Miyata is less balanced--kind of like a sword that is out of balance. The handlebars, stem, headset altogether seem heavier than the Peugeot's, making it slightly more likely to tip over to one side.

oddjob2

During the last 1-4 years, I have sold fully refurbished Peugeot mixtes, with new tires, grips, cables, etc., for $250-$300, to buyers from 4 of the 5 Boros of NYC (none to Staten Island), Boston, Philly, Detroit, and Ann Arbor. @randyjawa, Peugeots do not grow on trees in NYC, nor are they offered cheaply.

As presented, the subject bike as shown is worth $60-75 +/- to me, to refurbish and resell. In NYC, a storefront LBS will charge you $150 or more for the labor, plus the cost of the parts.

A Miyata 310 is an entry level racing geometry bike. The Peugeot mixte is designed for your intended general purpose.

randyjawa 

Oddjob2 - I was only passing on a stupid comment that another forum member, who is usually abrasive, rude and wrong, said about Peugeots in the NY area. I, personally, do not think they are worth a dime a dozen anywhere on the planet. As for that rude dude...

He has not posted in a while. Perhaps he got the much needed boot.

ryansu 

For future use I've found bike boom Peugeot - link here to be very useful in identifying year and model.

FWIW I bought a similar model Mixte (a made in France for the french market one that a family had brought with them to Seattle but did not want to pack back to France) for about $30 a few years ago. I built it up for my daughter to ride.

[IMG]Le Mixte Francais (2) by Ryan Surface, on Flickr[/IMG]

fireroadie

I had read your other thread about this bike. What a lucky deal and great find! It's a beautiful mixte! When the seller brought the Peugeot P19 out of the shed I thought it was junk but had tested out a 70s Fuji Special Road Racer earlier that day that was too small for me. I was still getting over my disappointment after seeing the forged drops on the Fuji, so hopped on the Peugeot with no expectations. After a block I realized this bike Rides Like a Dream. In spite of the rotting tire sidewalls, a developing flat tire due to a faulty schrader valve, and missing teeth on the Simplex derailleur jockey wheel the bike just glided down the street like a canoe on a quiet lake. It was impressive how comfortable the geometry felt, how confidently it handled, how balanced the bike felt.

Riding a bike is a lot like riding a horse. Not every horse is good for every rider and vice versa. The majority of vintage bikes are used for running errands, commuting, and joy rides on the weekend these days, so for me there's no reason to ride an uncomfortable vintage bike. Can't wait to finish rebuilding this mixte and take it out to the beach!

I'll post up photos of the P19 after I finish rebuilding it!

ryansu 

Entry level Peugeot's have a habit of doing that -riding like a dream- I think they sprinkled pixie dust in the carbolite 103. Enjoy the build -looking forward to your pictures

fireroadie

That must be it! Thanks, just waiting on the parts then heading to the local bike co-op!

fireroadie

It look several months of visiting the local bike co-op, buying parts on eBay, waiting to receive them, and trying out different components to find ones that fit, but the Peugeot P19 has finally been rebuilt! I set it up to look like a 1950s French porteur bike. Planning to add some more parts, like fenders and a headlamp. Once the bike is entirely complete (with vintage tin water bottle too lol) I will post more photos!

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Aubergine 

Very nice! I am also in the camp that low-end Peugeots have an excellent ride.