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Old 07-18-17, 04:32 PM
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Alan Record Carbonio Year?

I recently purchased an Alan Record Carbonio off ebay. Unfortunately the previous owner turned in into a fixie and removed the downtube braze on shifter mounts. That aside, I contacted Alan to try and figure out the year of the frame. They told me it was from their 1985-1986 run. I'm skeptical about this due to the frame having 130mm spacing in the rear. Based on my research, 130mm spacing is for 8-11 speed and Shimano didn't introduce 8 speed until 1988 and Campagnolo didn't introduce one until 1991.

Is this bike really from 85-86 or newer?
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The Alan aluminum frames had a date code, format (m)myy, stamped into the upper seat tube. To the best of my knowledge, there was no correlation to the serial number. Obviously they wouldn't want to do this to a carbon fibre tube but I also think that would continue the practice. Maybe there is an ink stamp on the top of the seat tube or a stamp impression on an aluminum section of the frame?

I don't think that there was much change to the frames themselves during the mid-1980s to the early 1990s. Certainly your frasme is consistent with the mid-1980s frames I've seen. Regarding the spacing, your logic makes sense to me.

So, the previous owner took the trouble to remove the lever bosses but didn't remove the derailleur hanger? I don't whether to laugh or cry.
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Looks like an 86 to me.....just like mine!
Too bad about the drew job done on the shifter bosses. Not sure how ALAN anchored the shifters on the DT, but if it had a thin bolt going across from one boss to the other through the DT, a few C&V bikes from the 80's used such, and you might be able to adapt it over to your frame, if you cannoy find a set made by ALAN.
Otherwise, a clamp on from Simplex or Campy would look good too.
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Looks like an 86 to me.....just like mine!
Too bad about the drew job done on the shifter bosses. Not sure how ALAN anchored the shifters on the DT, but if it had a thin bolt going across from one boss to the other through the DT, a few C&V bikes from the 80's used such, and you might be able to adapt it over to your frame, if you cannoy find a set made by ALAN.
Otherwise, a clamp on from Simplex or Campy would look good too.
Does your 86 have 130mm spacing?
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No, 126mm....
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I can't find any date code on the frame. Hopefully someone will be able to tell me what year this is at some point. It still makes sense to think it's around 91 if it was an 8 speed Campy equipped bike considering the 130mm spacing.
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I'll try to take new pics of you Carbonio this weekend and post them up for you to see the same details on it.
I based my dating on my Carbonio on others I have seen posted in the net with mention of production dates from the other owners. The Carbonio with the same loose CF weave pattern, pointed end lugs and the distinctive gold bands on the upper seat stays always came up as 1986 Carbonios.
The lugs lost their points (just straight cut lug ends) on the next gen Carbonio and I believe the CF tube diameters increased slightly for more stiffness..... Our Carbonio IMO, looks much better and is much stiffer than other bikes contemporary to it, like the Vitus Carbone. At least that's my experience when I ride my Vitus Plus Carbone 7 and Alan Record Carbonio, back to back. The Alan definitely handles much better too.
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It's just the spacing for the rear wheel that throws me off. I even tried to see if my vintage wheelset would fit, obviously it's not wide enough and there is no way that someone could have opened it up. I will admit that there are a lot of similarities to the 85 and 86 carbonios.

Chombi1, I would really like to see your Alan! I'm also happy to know that these frames ride really nice. How does it compare to your Pinarello? I have an 84 Treviso that I can't even compare to anything I've ridden so far.
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Hi, jfracer03,
Here are pics of my 1986 ALAN Record Carbonio I also just re-posted on the C&V forum:










Every time I pull this bike out of my stable, I get reminded of how it seems to be one of the most attractive C&V CF bike made in the 80's.
Hope you enjoy building up and riding your own ALAN Carbonio soon!
Keep us in the C&V forum posted on how the build goes and do not hesitate to ask any questions as you go.
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Don't the Word Championships stripes list the victory years? If so, that should provide a 'no older than' date.
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Don't the Word Championships stripes list the victory years? If so, that should provide a 'no older than' date.
World championship band as used on these frames lists victories up to 1985, thus a model year no earlier than 1986. I suspect the championships were for Cyclecross.
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Originally Posted by Chombi1 View Post
World championship band as used on these frames lists victories up to 1985, thus a model year no earlier than 1986. I suspect the championships were for Cyclecross.
Yes, they are almost certainly cyclcocross references for the most part, as Alan (aluminum) were popular cyclocross frames, though many champions' bicycles were rebadged. It is worth noting that the 1986 pro cyclocross world champion was Albert Zweifel riding a Gerber, which was a rebadged Alan. Given that this isn't listed on the decal would make me suspect you have a 1985-1986 model, as the the Cyclocross World Championships are typically held early in the calendar year
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Yes, they are almost certainly cyclcocross references for the most part, as Alan (aluminum) were popular cyclocross frames, though many champions' bicycles were rebadged. It is worth noting that the 1986 pro cyclocross world champion was Albert Zweifel riding a Gerber, which was a rebadged Alan. Given that this isn't listed on the decal would make me suspect you have a 1985-1986 model, as the the Cyclocross World Championships are typically held early in the calendar year
Interesting thing is, Lucho Herrera was riding the Carbonio frame in the 1984 TDF for the Cafe de Colombia team,..... maybe as a production prototype?
Here's a pic of him on the Mavic SSC equipped Alan Carbonio, on his way to win stages in the alps during that TDF:
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Interesting thing is, Lucho Herrera was riding the Carbonio frame in the 1984 TDF for the Cafe de Colombia team,..... maybe as a production prototype?
Here's a pic of him on the Mavic SSC equipped Alan Carbonio, on his way to win stages in the alps during that TDF:
I believe that is actually a 1985 photo. In 1984 the team was Pilas Varta-Colombia and Luis Herrera won the Alpe d'Huez stage. Here's a 1984 Alpe d'Huez photo of him (on the left) contending Hinault and Fignon. This photo is confirmed 1984 because that was the first year for the Hinault's La Vie Claaire team and the jersey does the not have the secondary sponsors, Radar and Wonder, which added in 1985. In 1984 Herrera and his team rode Varta branded Vitus.
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Thanks for all the information! I keep getting more and more excited for this build. I'm slowly selling parts from my previous build and anything else I can find to fund this one. My plan is to use more modern components and make it a comfortable bike that I want to ride. I plan on going with campy, not sure if I will go 9, 10, or 11 speed. I do already have a nice carbon crank from my previous build so I just need the rest of the drivetrain. It mostly depends on what I can find for a good price.

Chombi1, your Alan is beautiful! Such a nice group of components on there! I really like those bladed spokes and that mavic groupset. I feel like it makes that bike even more special and obviously so much nicer to look at!
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1986 Alan Carbonio ...

Picked this up from a senior rider who was going to put it out on the curb in order to clean out garage ...
The picture is as received about 10 days ago, so needs a semi restoration. This 57-58cm w a 125-126mm chain stay spacing is going up in the garage until fall as my winter project ...

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Originally Posted by jfracer03 View Post
I recently purchased an Alan Record Carbonio off ebay. Unfortunately the previous owner turned in into a fixie and removed the downtube braze on shifter mounts. That aside, I contacted Alan to try and figure out the year of the frame. They told me it was from their 1985-1986 run. I'm skeptical about this due to the frame having 130mm spacing in the rear. Based on my research, 130mm spacing is for 8-11 speed and Shimano didn't introduce 8 speed until 1988 and Campagnolo didn't introduce one until 1991.

Is this bike really from 85-86 or newer?
I bought my Record Carbonio new in 1996. It has an 8-gear freewheel. I bought it through a local shop; Alan send the frame and fork only, and they built it up for me. It's possible that the frame was built in 1995, but almost impossible to imagine it built before that. FWIW, the Serial number on the bottom bracket is (I think) 243614. If yours is much lower than that, it could be earlier; if it's close, it's probably around 1996. Hope that helps.
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It's all Chombi1's fault ...

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i managed to get my two year old Winter project done ... Chombi1's pictures shamed me into it ... He still sets the benchmark ...
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