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Pondering what to do with my restored 1984 Panasonic Grand Touring

Old 07-21-17, 12:21 PM
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Pondering what to do with my restored 1984 Panasonic Grand Touring

I was wrenching in a bike store during the mid 1980s and became intrigued by the high quality steel touring bikes that came through the door for repairs. The shop I worked at sold only Cannondales (you know, those pretzel frames out of the oven) so my personal experience was just with a KHS touring bike. I still wish I kept that fine bike.

Over the decades I swore off pavement riding and now tour and race on mountain bikes. Yet, I still remember the charm of those lively skinny tourers from the 80's and so picked up a 1984 Panasonic Grand Touring on Ebay a month ago and brought it back to life. It has considerable tire clearance so I thought I could make it into a comfortable gravel grinder.

The bike was in good shape to begin with. It had been used mostly in Arizona and the drive chain parts had little wear. The paint was as new with a few chips. The components were a step down from those found on the Pro Touring model that Panasonic offered that year but still pretty good for the time. I replaced the usuals: chain, cables and housing, brake pads, tubes, and handlebar tape. I also replaced the tires with some Panaracer Pasela ProTites. I made a pest of myself at the local auto paint store until I got some touch up paint that perfectly matched the metal-fleck Anthracite Grey. Then I put on some new decals.

But now my dilemma and a request for advice. The bike is slightly too small for me (23 inches) - I would need to get a longer stem and post to get the fit right. Also, the wheels are 27 inch so the options for tires 35mm wide are limited. I'll probably not be able to recoup what I've put into the bike by selling it. Starting over with another restoration of a larger bike has appeal but summer riding season is going by fast. What would you do in my case? Sell the bike or dance with who I brought?
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Old 07-21-17, 12:34 PM
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If it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit. Your time and money at this point is a sunk cost. I'd look for a frame that fits. You can also try your luck on the C&V the frame doesn't fit thread. Someone may have something interesting to swap you for.
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What do you figure I could sell it for? Here are the specs:

Model Panasonic Touring Deluxe
Year 1984
Size 23 inches
Color Anthracite Grey
Chain stay length 17.5
Rear spacing 126 mm
Frame Tange chrome moly, double butted (Champion #2), forged fork ends
Fork High-tensile, forged ends
Frame attachments Water bottle bosses on down tube, rack mounts, fender mounts
Handelbar Kusuki WPR-B Randonneur
Stem Kusuki Win
Saddle "Anatomic"
Seat post SR CT-P6, fluted
Crankset Shimano TGT 34/46/52
Freewheel Shimano UG black, 5 speed, 14-28
Hubs Shimano forged alloy, small flange with quick release
Rear derailleur Shimano AL 11
Front derailleur Shimano AL 11
Shifting levers Shimano Z408
Brakes Dia-Compe G500N side-pull
Brake levers Dia-Compe drilled with gum hoods
Rims Araya model 18, 27" x 1 1/4"
Spokes 14 G U-C-P finished
Pedals KTT Top Run
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Old 07-21-17, 01:31 PM
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There was a 60cm Trek Elance 400 posted in the C&V Frame Doesn't Fit thread back in may that might work for you - OP was looking for something comparable in a 57cm or thereabouts. Yours is close. See page 60.

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...d-game-60.html
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There is one on eBay right now. Has racks, but nowhere near your condition. They are asking $599.
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Old 07-21-17, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by UKFan4Sure View Post
There is one on eBay right now. Has racks, but nowhere near your condition. They are asking $599.
Of course, asking and getting are two different things. Another one, quote nice looking, recently sold where the seller was asking $399 but accepted a lower offer.
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Of course, asking and getting are two different things. Another one, quote nice looking, recently sold where the seller was asking $399 but accepted a lower offer.

+ shipping?

I would think even the cheap skate crowd here would pay $350-$375, before shipping. Would be good to know where owner lives.
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Originally Posted by oddjob2 View Post
would be good to know where owner lives.
pnw
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Old 07-22-17, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by candrus View Post
What do you figure I could sell it for? Here are the specs:

Model Panasonic Touring Deluxe
Year 1984
Size 23 inches
Color Anthracite Grey
Chain stay length 17.5
Rear spacing 126 mm
Frame Tange chrome moly, double butted (Champion #2), forged fork ends
Fork High-tensile, forged ends
Frame attachments Water bottle bosses on down tube, rack mounts, fender mounts
Handelbar Kusuki WPR-B Randonneur
Stem Kusuki Win
Saddle "Anatomic"
Seat post SR CT-P6, fluted
Crankset Shimano TGT 34/46/52
Freewheel Shimano UG black, 5 speed, 14-28
Hubs Shimano forged alloy, small flange with quick release
Rear derailleur Shimano AL 11
Front derailleur Shimano AL 11
Shifting levers Shimano Z408
Brakes Dia-Compe G500N side-pull
Brake levers Dia-Compe drilled with gum hoods
Rims Araya model 18, 27" x 1 1/4"
Spokes 14 G U-C-P finished
Pedals KTT Top Run
Emphasize the word touring bike...wax poetic about steel...I'd say $250ish? 300 on a good day? I'm probably high'ish. It's not on par with the better tourers of the day, but you know that...and the 27' tire options are what they are. On the flip side, it looks good and ready to ride.
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I would say around $300 in most markets it is a nice bike great shape ready to go. But it has few features that can hold back price some for a 80's Touring bike, caliper brakes with only moderate clearance, DT shifters, 27inch wheels and large frame.
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I would need to get a longer stem and post to get the fit right. Also, the wheels are 27 inch so the options for tires 35mm wide are limited.
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...I would just buy another stem and post, and set it up to fit me. I do that pretty routinely here, and it's not a big deal. 27x 1 1/4 tyres are pretty fat, and Panaracer makes some good ones.
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But it has few features that can hold back price some for a 80's Touring bike, caliper brakes with only moderate clearance, DT shifters, 27inch wheels and large frame.
Real deal killers there.
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Smaller frame is good. Get bars and stem that bring it into your aura, and ride it.
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I would say around $300 in most markets it is a nice bike great shape ready to go. But it has few features that can hold back price some for a 80's Touring bike, caliper brakes with only moderate clearance, DT shifters, 27inch wheels and large frame.
I think that's a value killer. At the end of the day it's a decent frame, with underwhelming parts...no racks...and isn't really ideal as a tourer. $300 seems high to me.

Agree with stem experimentation.
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Experimenting with a stem makes sense. If it's slightly too small, then it will be easy to make it fit with a taller stem. Nitto technomic is the go to but there are other stems that will do the job as well.

If you want a fatter tire, 700c will help and your existing brakes should work. This bike may also work for a 650b conversion.
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Thanks all for your input. I'll try the inexpensive option first (taller stem) and then decide.
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FWIW if you are going to ride it I am using Kenda K40s which are 27 x 1 3/8 or 37c on my 86 Schwinn Passage, and like them for the plusher feel than the standard 27 x 1 1/4 (32c). Not as nice as Panaracer Pasela's but also cheaper.
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My vote would be to keep it until you find a better fitting bike. That 5-speed freewheel is also another issue relative to selling the bike.

If you haven't done so already, you (the op of this thread) might want to drop down to the touring and rando/long-distance groups on the site here and get a concensus on what they would do with your bike in your situation.

For me, while I could live with 5 cogs on back, I would prefer 7 or more.
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