Old Guerciotti, but what is it, and how old?
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Old Guerciotti, but what is it, and how old?
Greetings everyone. Long time lurker, first time poster here.
My steed of choice is a vintage Guerciotti that I've had for quite a while (12 years from the top of my head), handed down to me from the father of an ex-girlfriend. It was his professional bike when he was younger (he was born somewhere in the mid 1950's). It's an extremely nimble and stable ride, and I thoroughly enjoy it... But I was wondering: what do I have? Guerciotti's are very hard to pinpoint it seems, and after quite some time sifting through (contradicting) information, I give up.
Some specs:
Some pictures can be found in the attachment
If more pictures are needed, please let me know of what I need to frame. Any input is welcome at this moment. Not looking to sell, or a value (as it's invaluable to me), but just knowing what I have.
And yes, I'll replace the hideous handlebar tape with something more classy in the near future.
My steed of choice is a vintage Guerciotti that I've had for quite a while (12 years from the top of my head), handed down to me from the father of an ex-girlfriend. It was his professional bike when he was younger (he was born somewhere in the mid 1950's). It's an extremely nimble and stable ride, and I thoroughly enjoy it... But I was wondering: what do I have? Guerciotti's are very hard to pinpoint it seems, and after quite some time sifting through (contradicting) information, I give up.
Some specs:
- Old Guerciotti logo's (I think)
- pantographed frame & saddle tube (Belgian colours), with a clover at the front.
- remnants of a "JET" logo on the top tube, but only on the right side. Not on the chain stays.
- no Columbus sticker on the seat tube.
- no 5-pointed star underneath the bottom bracket
- Campognolo headset & gear shifters (rear one says Patent 74, so 1974?)
- The cables for the shifters do pass over the bottom bracket, not underneath it.
Some pictures can be found in the attachment
If more pictures are needed, please let me know of what I need to frame. Any input is welcome at this moment. Not looking to sell, or a value (as it's invaluable to me), but just knowing what I have.
And yes, I'll replace the hideous handlebar tape with something more classy in the near future.
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I don't think you have a Guerciotti. The "Jet" frames I have seen have Guerciotti in the scallop of the seat stay cap, a different type of brake bridge, the chain stay ends are finished and not domed, derailleur cable go below the BB, and have a G in the fork crown along with the crown being more of a sloping crown rather than the flatter crown we see.
What I do think you have is an Italvega. That looks like an Italvega fork and the scalloped seat stay caps look Italvega to me. What size is the seat post?
What I do think you have is an Italvega. That looks like an Italvega fork and the scalloped seat stay caps look Italvega to me. What size is the seat post?
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I'll measure them when I get home tonight. Thanks for the reaction.
Two things that might be of interest:
- the bike (or frame) was, to the best of knowledge, purchased new in it's current livrey.
- I'm located in Belgium (Europe), and the bike/frame was purchased here as well, so wouldn't that make an Italvega (which was a US-market thing) unlikely?
Two things that might be of interest:
- the bike (or frame) was, to the best of knowledge, purchased new in it's current livrey.
- I'm located in Belgium (Europe), and the bike/frame was purchased here as well, so wouldn't that make an Italvega (which was a US-market thing) unlikely?
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I'll measure them when I get home tonight. Thanks for the reaction.
Two things that might be of interest:
- the bike (or frame) was, to the best of knowledge, purchased new in it's current livrey.
- I'm located in Belgium (Europe), and the bike/frame was purchased here as well, so wouldn't that make an Italvega (which was a US-market thing) unlikely?
Two things that might be of interest:
- the bike (or frame) was, to the best of knowledge, purchased new in it's current livrey.
- I'm located in Belgium (Europe), and the bike/frame was purchased here as well, so wouldn't that make an Italvega (which was a US-market thing) unlikely?
I am sharing a photo of the Guerciotti Jet frame I once owned. I think you will see why I did not think yours to be a Guerciotti. Click on the photo and it will take you to more photos.
002 by L Travers, on Flickr
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I think yours is a quite a bit newer than the OPs and I think that and the market may account for the differences.
I don't think the OPs frame is as old as '74 but it maybe an early '80s. I am basing this on the shorter dropouts, although I don't think they are CampI but still having the over cable routing.
I don't think the OPs frame is as old as '74 but it maybe an early '80s. I am basing this on the shorter dropouts, although I don't think they are CampI but still having the over cable routing.
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I would agree that it does look like a Italian contract built bike for the euro market. This would explain the slight differences and mixed components. As for age based on the single set of bottle mounts and cable routing I would say late 70's early 80's. You should be able to find a date code on the back of the crank it should be a circle with a number for the 80's last digit being the year or a diamond for the 70's with number.
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I already wish to thank each and everyone of you for your insights!
Measured with the callipers: 27mm in diameter.
At the underside (side facing the street when riding)? Because over there is absolutely nothing, it's just a plain piece of painted metal.
Measured with the callipers: 27mm in diameter.
At the underside (side facing the street when riding)? Because over there is absolutely nothing, it's just a plain piece of painted metal.
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The date code is on the back of the crank arm it looks like this one which is an example of a 1981 date code..
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Hard to say. Frames often got sold by themselves and then owner equipped as they saw fit. Date code on the Campag rear derailleur? Even with date codes they are not a 100% dead on dating device.
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That's a Patent '74, so that would denote 1974.
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I see now you had provided the date code in your OP. Sorry about that. What is on the bottom bracket, if anything? We know already there is no star.
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On the bottom bracket is absolutely nothing. Just a plain piece of steel without any markings (no stamps, no engraving, not a single identifier).
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