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Rivendell LongLow, Starck and Bell value?

Old 09-01-17, 11:53 PM
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Rivendell LongLow, Starck and Bell value?

This is a potential acquisition for me. I have been looking at his bike which the Seller has had for sale on and off for a couple months. The frame is by Joe Starck with paint by Joe Bell. The components are of mixed desirability: Phil hubs and BB (nice), TA Specialites cranks (nice), Suntour derailleurs (nothing special), Shimano RX100 brakes, Nitto stem (nice). All components are well used, condition shows their age. For example, rings on the TA cranks are well used. Its a desirable frame with a mixed bag of components. The price is $1600. It seems like its priced overly optimistically with the combo of components; ie, you are paying a premium for some good components and some so-so components. What are thoughts on this asking price of $1600? How would you tag the value of the frame/fork only? Thanks.
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Old 09-02-17, 01:23 AM
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The price is optimistic but is not as if you are going to find another of these. I'm surprised that the seller is not willing to come down a bit on the price given that it's sat for a while.
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The price is optimistic but is not as if you are going to find another of these. I'm surprised that the seller is not willing to come down a bit on the price given that it's sat for a while.
the way I see it....you are really paying for the frame, and than a premium for a mixed bag of so so parts.
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When I sold my 2000 Joe Starck-built Joe Bell-painted light blue Rivendell Custom frameset in late 2012 it went on the bay for $1,200 or so. I was the original owner and mine had around 11k miles on it.

EDIT: I had similar TA Zephyr cranks which I sold with their special BB and tools for around $200; Campagnolo 8-speed/MA2 wheelset that brought around $150; etc. There just weren't that many Joe-builts made, and while they're not as rare as the Richard Sachs-built ones (allegedly a few!) they're not exactly common. Lots of handwork and obsessive attention to detail on the Rivendell customs.

I paid $1,850 for mine with a Tange Rollerball headset in 2000 and waited 8 months for it.

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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
The price is optimistic but is not as if you are going to find another of these. I'm surprised that the seller is not willing to come down a bit on the price given that it's sat for a while.
I think this is exactly right - it's optomistic, but Rivs always seem to go higher than you'd think is reasonable. It's a very desireable frame and he's lookimg for a "built up Riv" premium. It's certainly not a flip price, you'd likely have a tough time selling for 2/3rds of value, but if you want one, it's not that common and it's probably a great bike.

If I wanted it, I might be willing to overpay. He doesn't sound like a desperate or motivated seller, so ultimately it comes down to if it's worth it to you. I wouldn't think you were a sucker for buying it. You could also try and wait him out...if he decides he really wants to sell, sits on it without asking price, he might come down.
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...where is the location all of this is taking place ? that would not be an unreasonable ask here in NorCal, but this is Rivendell galactic HQ.
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...where is the location all of this is taking place ? that would not be an unreasonable ask here in NorCal, but this is Rivendell galactic HQ.
Connecticut. My experience is the "vintage" market is very soft. And, for a special bike like this one, in this price range, there would be few potential buyers. Possibly, someone would drive from the NYC or Boston area for a bike like this, maybe.
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I sold my '96 Joe Bell resprayed Riv Road Standard with impeccable tricolor for about $1650 earlier this year. It went within 24 hours of posting if I remember correctly, and the guy was deleriously happy to get it. Granted it was not a Joe Starck build or quite as rare as this one, but yeah, Rivendells seem to have a real cult following.
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... but yeah, Rivendells seem to have a real cult following.
...it's all the Grant Petersen they put in every bike.
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The more I'm thinking about it, the more I think it's a fair ask. It's a soft market in general, but Rivs have a dedicated following, and they're the kind of bikes that are now en vogue. Some of the parts are hmmmm, but it's all stuff that works just fine.

If he sold it frame/fork on the bay, I think he could get 1500ish.
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One of Rivendell's tendencies is to recommend components that are reliable and get the job done without worrying about things like weight or flashiness. Case in point is using Deore RD in lieu of more expensive models.
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One of Rivendell's tendencies is to recommend components that are reliable and get the job done without worrying about things like weight or flashiness. Case in point is using Deore RD in lieu of more expensive models.
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If Rivendell were still selling this bike today, the frame/fork/headset would run around $2300. This bike also has what is now "custom" pedigree, being built by Joe Stark and painted by Joe Bell, rather than being made in Taiwan or by Waterford. If this were built today as a custom, it would be $3500 for f/f/h.

If you like the Rivendell philosophy and have been wanting a Rivendell bicycle, this isn't a bad deal, in my opinion. If you are just wanting a good bike with classic looks and style, this may not be worth it to you.

There is an RBW Google group where you can do some research into old posts and see what other old Riv's have sold for.

If you decide against purchasing this bike, let us know because I will then point out this sale to the folks on the RBW group.

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Originally Posted by corwin1968 View Post
If Rivendell were still selling this bike today, the frame/fork/headset would run around $2300. This bike also has what is now "custom" pedigree, being built by Joe Stark and painted by Joe Bell, rather than being made in Taiwan or by Waterford. If this were built today as a custom, it would be $3500 for f/f/h.

If you like the Rivendell philosophy and have been wanting a Rivendell bicycle, this isn't a bad deal, in my opinion. If you are just wanting a good bike with classic looks and style, this may not be worth it to you.

There is an RBW Google group where you can do some research into old posts and see what other old Riv's have sold for.

If you decide against purchasing this bike, let us know because I will then point out this sale to the folks on the RBW group.
Good info corwin1968. thanks for helpful post.
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I am sticking to my offer, about 20% below asking. Sure its an awesome bike; probably worth more to someone. I feel comfortable about walking away. I like it, but I have bought and sold enough not to get too excited. That's where I am comfortable. the bikes been available for sale for months....I guess I am not alone on value
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