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Old 09-10-17, 06:01 PM
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Which bike should be purchased?

My son is wanting to a buy a bike. He is a grad student currently living in Charleston SC.

He texted me a picture of a old Trek 2300 carbon framed bike with shimano 600 derailleur.

the other bike is a cannondadle r111

I assume they are early 90's bikes.

I know nothing about these bikes your help is appreciated.
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Can you provide details such as cost, does one fit better, has he test ridden either of them? Is money no object?
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For a campus beater bike, I'd choose the Cannondale.

It has vintage CAMPY brifters . Hopefully everything on the bike is matched, and works smoothly. Check for mismatched parts for the main drivetrain, then test ride it, and see how it works.

The Trek has lugged Carbon/aluminum. I've heard more complaints about problems with those than with the vintage Cannondale bike frames (although those Cannondale rear dropouts always look funny to me).

The Trek, of course, would be a fun piece of vintage bicycle tech.
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$400, he said they are both 56 INCHES LOL (he was at the Clemson/Auburn game while he was texting me so I assume there was some tailgating prior to the game) He is 5'10" and I assume he meant 56cm. He said the trek looked like it saw little used, but a close up inspection of the dereailier tells me it was used a fair amount as it has some pretty good scratches and gunk on the guide wheels.

The Cannondale looks smaller than the the trek. but he says they are both same size. He straddled the bikes and said he could stand flat footed on both of them.

that is about all I know.
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It is hard to tell from the photos. The Cannondale has larger tubes than the Trek, so it would appear to have a shorter head tube, so looks can be deceiving, especially with the angle of the photos.
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Thinking a bit more about those two bikes, I'd put $400 a bit high, but perhaps not that much. Despite the Trek having a Carbon Fiber frame, I'd put the value of both bikes about the same. $300 would be a good deal for them... And $350 wouldn't seem to be too bad.

I'm not seeing a lot of bikes good road bikes on the Charleston Craigslist. Perhaps there is another nearby city to search.

Oh, this would be COOL... but I think the asking price is about twice what I'd pay.
https://charleston.craigslist.org/bi...298967700.html

This one looks nice. Slightly small, but perhaps it would be good. It appears to have been up for a while, so either the ad was forgotten, or the seller is ready to deal.
https://charleston.craigslist.org/bi...228166106.html

Pretty sweet looking Kestrel for a little more. Apparently not moving very quickly either. I'm not sure what it means by "Seatpost is in a fixed position. "
https://charleston.craigslist.org/bi...283863516.html
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Thinking a bit more about those two bikes, I'd put $400 a bit high, but perhaps not that much. Despite the Trek having a Carbon Fiber frame, I'd put the value of both bikes about the same. $300 would be a good deal for them... And $350 wouldn't seem to be too bad.

I'm not seeing a lot of bikes good road bikes on the Charleston Craigslist. Perhaps there is another nearby city to search.

Oh, this would be COOL... but I think the asking price is about twice what I'd pay.
https://charleston.craigslist.org/bi...298967700.html

This one looks nice. Slightly small, but perhaps it would be good. It appears to have been up for a while, so either the ad was forgotten, or the seller is ready to deal.
https://charleston.craigslist.org/bi...228166106.html

Pretty sweet looking Kestrel for a little more. Apparently not moving very quickly either. I'm not sure what it means by "Seatpost is in a fixed position. "
https://charleston.craigslist.org/bi...283863516.html
Yea I saw that red Madone and thought the same as you. for a bit more money he gets a newer. I ride a 54 cm domane and it fits perfect for me so that red mad one should fit my son as he and I are the same height.
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Charleston tends to be high priced for South Carolina. Budget is high if it is a bike he wants to ride around campus (theft magnet). I have found good bikes on the Hilton Head Island C/L along with the Columbia, SC C/L. Columbia also has a co-op. I would contact them and see what they have.

Seat post in a fixed position = seized in place, forget it.

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Some college campuses are bad for bike theft, but if one follows some general rules, I'm not sure how bad it really is.
  • Use a GOOD LOCK (think Kryptonite New York). Make sure you snag: One wheel, Frame, + something solid (bike rack, post, etc).
  • Lock Front & Rear wheels if leaving it out regularly.
  • Never leave your bike outside overnight. NEVER.
  • I used to study late on campus, and would regularly bring my bike inside the building in the evenings, after most people had gone home, and nobody ever complained.
  • I used to pop the front wheel off and snag it with my U-Lock, but I'd probably tend to use a U-Lock + Cable for ordinary locking.
  • It depends on where you are at. I've never had a seat or quick release, or anything bigger than a bicycle light stolen off of the bike (did get a few bike lights stolen though). Other people seem to have more issues with those. I might tend to use a simple bolt-on seatpost rather than a quick release, although I have been lazy and put a QR on one bike a while ago.
I'm doubting the 1990's vintage bikes would be big targets for swiping an unlocked wheel. Perhaps the newer Madone would catch someone's eye, but even that appears to have inexpensive wheels, more of a pain than anything else if one was swiped.
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Beater for Campus. I will never understand people buying better bikes to ride in the City, or on College Campuses.
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Back a long, long, long time ago when I was in college, the school required all bikes be left outside at night (if you lived in one of the dorms). Of course, that made it really easy to steal bikes, as you would have hundreds outside each dorm. Hopefully that stupid rule is gone. My first bike lasted one week. At that point, my anti-rule follower streak came on strong, and my replacement bike went into the dorm with me, rule or no rule. I figured I certainly could not afford to buy a bike every week......

Based on what I saw last year at that same college, a 1990s vintage bike would be better than 99.99% of the bikes on that campus. I saw a lot of beat up MTBs along with hundreds of Walmart bikes (most in poor condition).
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Many campuses have lots of activities other than classes.

I wish I had participated with the local Outdoor Program and Cycling Groups when I was in college. I just spent too much time in the books. Around here, there are supposed to also be some good MTB trails, although that has never been my thing.

Anyway, a nice bike can be used for a lot more than getting to class. I never used, nor wanted to use a bike to get between classes on college when I was living on campus. It was much more convenient to just walk. I did use one to commute from off-campus a fair amount, but it remained parked most of the day, and was only used to get to and from campus (about 8 miles each way).

Anyway, there are as many reasons not to have a beater on campus as to have a beater.
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Get an old but road ready low to mid level (max.) model MTB or hybrid instead and save your money for a better road bike for after you get out of school....
I think both bikes are just too attractive to campus bike thieves for them to survive a single semester before they are stolen.....
If you do insist on having a nice C&V road sport/racing bike, better plan on never ever letting it out of your site, every time you take it out of your apartment or house to school......and don't even think of parking it overnight in your your garage porch or balcony , park it in your room ,next to your bed, ideally locked up to your bed, away from view from the street if you do have to leave it when you go to school.
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I understand what you are saying about college bike thefts.

While he was attending the University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana, he used my old 1973 Schwinn Continental. He never had a problem with that bike. No one wanted a 40 year old-40lb bike.

He has a friend who is a road cyclist and she wants him to ride with her. Both are grad students at Clemson.
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All things being equal, I would prefer the Cannondale. I test rode one of the Trek carbon mountain bikes with the bonded tubes back when they were new. It felt too flexible to me but I weighed about 190 then.
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I understand what you are saying about college bike thefts.

While he was attending the University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana, he used my old 1973 Schwinn Continental. He never had a problem with that bike. No one wanted a 40 year old-40lb bike.

He has a friend who is a road cyclist and she wants him to ride with her. Both are grad students at Clemson.
My 1972 Continental was stolen at U of I Champaign-Urbana the first week, but that was ahem, a few decades ago.......

Riding at Clemson, the Greenville market and the Columbia markets are both better places to find a road bike than Charleston in my experience.
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Originally Posted by JGM411 View Post
I understand what you are saying about college bike thefts.

While he was attending the University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana, he used my old 1973 Schwinn Continental. He never had a problem with that bike. No one wanted a 40 year old-40lb bike.

He has a friend who is a road cyclist and she wants him to ride with her. Both are grad students at Clemson.
A female friend who wants to ride

Perhaps she would help him pick out a bike

What kind of bicycle is she riding? 50 year old Mixte? Full Dura Ace Trek Madone Carbon Fiber Everything?

Of course, this could be the most expensive date in his life

Graduate School changes everything. Probably not wealthy, but at least probably getting some positive income, and likely not crammed in the dorms.

For group rides & etc... I'd lean towards the Madone, or even the Kestrel above. But, that vintage Cannondale and vintage Trek would also work, and have some character.

If they aren't hammering it hard, he could also pick up a $100 to $200 bike somewhere, tune it up, then keep his eyes open for the perfect road bike at the right price.
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
My 1972 Continental was stolen at U of I Champaign-Urbana the first week, but that was ahem, a few decades ago.......

Riding at Clemson, the Greenville market and the Columbia markets are both better places to find a road bike than Charleston in my experience.
Well the first time my 1973 Continental was on the UIUC campus was years 1978-1982 when I attended.... I guess the demand for that vintage waned from when it was new.

Funny, that bike has been at UIUC twice, ...78/82 and again 2009/2013. It also wound up on SIU-Carbondale campus in 13-15.

My UIllinois son graduated in Landscape Architecture and his design friends loved that bike. They liked the retro look. They especially admired the green and black paint-spattered seat. (the bike was in the path of me spray painting years ago)

The background in my signature picture is of me taken in a dorm room in Townsend Hall on campus in 2010. Fall semester move in day
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A female friend who wants to ride

Perhaps she would help him pick out a bike

What kind of bicycle is she riding? 50 year old Mixte? Full Dura Ace Trek Madone Carbon Fiber Everything?

Of course, this could be the most expensive date in his life

Graduate School changes everything. Probably not wealthy, but at least probably getting some positive income, and likely not crammed in the dorms.

For group rides & etc... I'd lean towards the Madone, or even the Kestrel above. But, that vintage Cannondale and vintage Trek would also work, and have some character.

If they aren't hammering it hard, he could also pick up a $100 to $200 bike somewhere, tune it up, then keep his eyes open for the perfect road bike at the right price.
I think his friend has a mid or lower range Trek, Giant, Cannondale, but newer aluminum version from what he is considering buying. I wish he would buy that Madone.

His friend along with another young woman is my son's roommate. They also were classmates/travelmates in Barcelona last spring. He has lived a pretty good college career. As an undergrad, he spent a semester in Rome studying Landscape Architecture and last spring spent a semester in Barcelona studying architecture. His life sucks. lol.
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I suppose this is the C&V forum. We can find him an older bike

There are both good things and bad things with old bikes as well as new bikes. I still really like my vintage Colnago

Even my CF bike has a 20 year old frame, with mostly newer parts.

I think the Madone is a pretty good value. But the vintage Trek and Cannondale bikes could also be good bikes for many years... and aren't just another Trek. Sometimes the simple things are good too. I've heard that it can be a bear when a modern shifter eats a cable. But, with the vintage bikes, it is a quick and easy repair.

My old bike gets as much use as the New(er) bike as it is durable, carries a rack, pulls a trailer, and frankly, I don't worry that much about the little things.
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I can verify that used bike prices definitely run high in Charleston. I lived down there (Sullivan's Island) for a couple years for work. Every once in a while I would check Craigslist for any good finds. Prices were often 20-30 percent higher (if not more) than prices here in Ohio.
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I sell a lot of bikes to high school and college students. I always give the same advice: Remove and take the front wheel with you to class.

Why? One of the attractions of bike theft is that once you break the lock, you hop on the bike and ride off into the sunset. Kinda hard to do without a front wheel, and most thieves don't carry a spare front wheel with them. Of course, parts can still be stolen on a front-wheel-less bike, but the chances of having your complete bike stolen minus front wheel go way down.
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Update:

I never asked him what he decided to do with the bike. He arrived home for Christmas break sometime very early this morning. This morning I walk in the garage and see his mothers Infiniti QX60 NOT in the garage (parked outside), and HIS 2008 Ford Fusion IN the garage. btw: the garage is heated. On the back of his car was the Cannondale.

I did a quick look over and with the exception of a few scratches it looks like a nice bike. It is outfitted with Campaganolo gears and brakes
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