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Value of "Mystery Peugeot"

Old 01-25-18, 12:08 PM
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Value of "Mystery Peugeot"

I recently posted what I believe is a 1975 Peugeot PX10 in the vintage forum. I have a potential buyer for the bike and I want to clarify some details before I make any further representations to her. If you are expert in these bikes and can confirm it's pedigree it would help a lot.

Looking at the pics below there are some items that don't appear to be from a PX10.
Crank - no id except made in France stamped on back of cranks
Stem - says Peugeot embossed in side of stem
wheels - hubs say Peugeot Trophe by Maliard , rims Super Champion "Gentleman"

Is this a PX10 variant or have there just been replacement parts installed over time?

If true, would that affect value.

Bike is located and will be sold in SF bay area.

Your estimation of fair market value as it sits with new cables and covers and bearings re greased but no other work done.

Here are specs from previous post

5 speed freewheel, Looks French but I didn’t inspect
Mafac competition brakes , and levers
Simplex forged dropouts,
large flange Peugeot Trophe by Malliard hubs on Super Champion “gentleman” rims, probably 700 c although the tires and rims are not marked ,
Presta tubes.
Simplex 610? Rear derailleur
No name 52-42 chain rings
Front fork stamped Reynolds 531
Guidon Felipe Franco/ italia bars
Plate on bottom bracket stamped 7014693
Weight all up as shown 23.3 lbs
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Old 01-25-18, 12:36 PM
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Chainset, front mech and pedals not original.

Original chainset would have been Stronglight model 93, pedals Lyotard model 45CA, front mech Simplex Criterium.

Hubs are Maillard model 700 with Peugeot labels.

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Originally Posted by capnjonny View Post

Looking at the pics below there are some items that don't appear to be from a PX10.
Crank - no id except made in France stamped on back of cranks
Stem - says Peugeot embossed in side of stem
The stem is original, as you can see from this catalog scan from 1977, though the model/parts info is nearly identical for the 75-78 years. Note that the colored bands on the decals on the downtube for yours, match these for 1977. Also note that yours appears to be missing the Reynolds 531 decal on the downtube ahead of the shifters.

https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broch...e%20PX10LE.jpg

wheels - hubs say Peugeot Trophe by Maliard , rims Super Champion "Gentleman"
The hubs are original, as this page shows it having Maillard 700 "Peugeot" Trophy. The non-tubular rims are most likely original, though the specs show tubular, as many shops substituted clinchers for them. Also, that RD may be a SX-410 per specs, not SX-610 as you noted(?).

https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broch...10E%20Text.jpg

Is this a PX10 variant or have there just been replacement parts installed over time?
It's a genuine PX10LE model, with a few non-original replacement parts: the crankset and pedals, shifters, front derailleur, and saddle. The rest appears original. Yes, non-originality affects the value, but it's basically market-based. In my area (North Florida) for a local sale, it might bring $325, since it needs a full tuneup, tires and tubes, etc. Where you are, maybe $425-450, since it's an average-sized frame and could suit more buyers.
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Originally Posted by jj1091 View Post
The stem is original, as you can see from this catalog scan from 1977, though the model/parts info is nearly identical for the 75-78 years. Note that the colored bands on the decals on the downtube for yours, match these for 1977. Also note that yours appears to be missing the Reynolds 531 decal on the downtube ahead of the shifters.

https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broch...e%20PX10LE.jpg



The hubs are original, as this page shows it having Maillard 700 "Peugeot" Trophy. The non-tubular rims are most likely original, though the specs show tubular, as many shops substituted clinchers for them. Also, that RD may be a SX-410 per specs, not SX-610 as you noted(?).

https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broch...10E%20Text.jpg



It's a genuine PX10LE model, with a few non-original replacement parts: the crankset and pedals, shifters, front derailleur, and saddle. The rest appears original. Yes, non-originality affects the value, but it's basically market-based. In my area (North Florida) for a local sale, it might bring $325, since it needs a full tuneup, tires and tubes, etc. Where you are, maybe $425-450, since it's an average-sized frame and could suit more buyers.
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Thanks for all the terrific information in this post!

For the year 1977 there is a possibility it may have come with the Stronglight 105 model chainset. 1977 was the year in which the model 93 ended and the model 105 succeeded it.

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Thanks for the info guys.

Perhaps it is a 1977. An earlier response indicated that the serial no. on the bottom bracket was from 1977. Glad to see that the stem is original also. it is a nice piece. nicer than some of the earlier stems.

If you look carefully you can still see the outline of the Reynolds decal on the down tube. so that is another bit of evidence.

I happen to have on my desk a simplex Super L J front derailleur. Would that have been the original piece on this bike?

I have had an offer of $350 on the bike but the buyer has not seen it yet . She does not sound like a collector, just someone who wants a nice bike to ride. I'm not sure how much she cares about the non original parts.
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I happen to have on my desk a simplex Super L J front derailleur. Would that have been the original piece on this bike?
No, the original would have been a Simplex LJ A200 Criterium, like this one. However, that is a nice upgrade for the plastic-based original version which usually cracks. The Super LJ is a pricey replacement = good selling point for higher sale value.

VeloBase.com - Component: Simplex LJ A200 Criterium (CPSC version)

I have had an offer of $350 on the bike but the buyer has not seen it yet . She does not sound like a collector, just someone who wants a nice bike to ride. I'm not sure how much she cares about the non original parts.
I'd take the offer since you haven't put much into the bike.
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