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Old 03-08-18, 11:03 AM
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Faggin Campione del Mondo

Got this a couple of weeks ago because it looks really cool but now am unsure what to do with it.
Looks like this was once a built bike that never sold in a bike shop and was cannibalized for parts over the years.

Seat tube is 49cm c-c, top tube is 52cm.
Paint looks pristine apart from a few tiny scratches with the worst on the cable guides under the bottom bracket.

Came with a gorgeous Shimano Golden Arrrow headset that felt horrible but that turned out to just be the completely dried up grease. Balls and races are pristine after a good cleaning. Same thing with the bottom bracket. Old grease but completely unmarked cups, races and balls. I took it out and cleaned it and it now looks like new. As does the bottom bracket itself. Threads were completely clean and not even a speck of dirt inside.

Chrome on the frame is also pristine. A few pin point spots on the right chainstay right next to where the BB paint starts. The chrome on the fork looks good but feels thin.

Sooooo, I was going to build this up but odd seatpost size (26.6mm where all my other bikes have 27.2mm) and lack of derailleur braze on (very faint impression of a derailleur clamp in the paint) are kind of a dealbreaker for me.

Also reaching the point where N+1 is becoming too big a number.

Wondering if it may be worth selling on or if this will end up on my living room wall





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Old 03-08-18, 02:28 PM
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The 1st generation Shimano 105 (Golden Arrow) components suggests a mid-range, mid-1980s frame, in which case I wouldn't expect a 27.2mm seat post or a front derailleur hanger. The tubing decal appears to be Columbus Aelle, which was was a mid-range, carbon manganese, plain gauge tubeset. Aelle typically uses a 26.8mm post but they may have used 26.6mm if the seat tube was slightly distorted and they did not want to ream/hone. Tghe other possibility would be plain gauge, hi-tensile, Columbus Zeta, which did use a 26.6mm post. The tubeset should be stated on the Columbus decal. Nicer than typical aesthetics for Aelle or Zeta, with the chromed stays but small size limits interest. Assuming Aelle, I'd place the value at ~$150.
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A 1980s visit to the Faggin frame shop in Padova, Italy

...if it's the right size for you, based on my personal experience with three different Faggin bikes (made from a variety of frame tubing materials according to the stickers), I'd build it up and ride it. You probably won't be disapponted.

Also look here for some history of the maker. (Still in business, by the way.)



Judging the ride and handling quality of a frame from the tubing and the lack of a derailleur braze on is not what you want to be doing in this case.
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Good looking speakers; the bike isn't bad either.
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Old 03-08-18, 11:38 PM
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Thanks.

I'm afraid one of those speakers is the stove though

I'd love to build this up, but I hate that I won't be able to re-use the seatpost and derailleur on another bike eventually and I hate marring the paint with a clamp :\
Ironically I got the frameset when I went to pick up some '96 Record seatposts in 27.2mm, but decent posts in 26.6mm are much harder to find so far.

Thanks for the comments so far though, food for thought.......
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...three Faggin bicycles, all of which get ridden here with some enthusiasm.

I recall one other poster some years back saying that a Faggin was the best riding frame he's had.
I don't know if I'd say that exactly, but the mostly white Tres Tubi one is certainly in the top five for me...out of a lot of bicycles.

But mine are all much larger frames than the size you have, so it's difficult to assess comparability.
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Well, found a Sakae SR 26.6 post in the spare parts bin so we'ĺl find out soon enough
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...I am happy for you.
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Interesting side story: after I visited the Pelizzoli shop in 2015 and ordered a custom frame, I stopped at another well known Italian bicycle shop. They were dismayed at my having ordered a Pelizzoli, and said that if I had stopped there first, they would have hooked me up with a much better framebuilder that charged similar prices but produced, in their opinion, a superior product.

They were talking about Faggin...pretty high praise.
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Built it with some 10S Chorus and other old parts I had squirreled away.

Ideally my saddle would be a centimeter higher but the post is already at the min insert mark.
Will also be looking for a lower stem and a handlebar with a nicer shape. But without spending more money this will have to do

Took it out for a three hour shakedown ride today and nothing shook down
Not super nimble but descends really well so guess I'll have to give it a couple more rides to make up my mind.
(heavy Open Pro / Record wheelset certainly didn't help today)

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...I was surprised to see how much air there was on yours between the rear tyre and the seat tube.
My three are all considerably tighter, I think. At least if you look at the photos. That would explain the "not super nimble/good descender".

Anyway, all you can do is give it an honest appraisal.
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The frame and fork do have tons of clearance for much larger tires than the 23mm Vredesteins that are currently on there.
I'll search the parts bin for some longer adjuster screws (one of those had been cannibalized as well)
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...it seems like every bike I rehabilitate has something wrong with the dropout adjustment screws (bent, seized, wrong length, etc.)

I found a parts place over in the industrial area not far from me who sells me 3mm stainless machine screws in several lengths, and I figured out a way to shorten them easily using an electrician's wire stripper/all purpose tool. I buy the panhead Phillips ones, and on the outside, I just double nut them with tiny 3mm nuts he also sells me in bulk. They work pretty well this way.
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