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Old 03-31-18, 02:08 PM
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Unknown Peugeot

Hi folks just saw this in my local (Lehigh Valley of PA) Facebook marketplace. So it's advertised as a Peugot 1970Z but I can't find any information based on that designation. It's also going for $300 and looks a bit rough based on the limited pictures. I know it's not worth $300 but what do you would it be worth?

Also what is it really? Did I miss a version called a 1970z?






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Old 03-31-18, 02:28 PM
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In that condition $50-75, it needs a lot of cleaning and probably new tires.

I hope it is just the pic and angle of the wheel but that fork looks bent
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Old 03-31-18, 02:49 PM
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It’s a UE-8 from the early/mid 1970s, without its original rack, fenders, and lights. Without those items, it’s practically a UO-8, but with a generator tab on the seat stay.

It’s *way* overpriced at $300. UO-8’s can often be found for around $100 or less. I paid $40 for mine.

The pictured bike appears to have Simplex quick release skewers, which can fetch a few bucks. And likewise its original Ventolux frame pump.
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The combination of Simplex shift lever model and Simplex quick release model mean it can only be from the 1970-71 time.

If bicycle model is UE8 its mudguards, rear rack and lighting system have all been removed.

Below a brochure for a U.S. market 1971 model UE8 -



At 300 USD it is wildly overvalued by its seller.

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Old 03-31-18, 05:31 PM
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I would say $75 or so and half of the would be for the pump if it's in good working order. This is no the bike your looking for I would likely pass on this on if offered for free.
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Thank you all.

A few follow up questions:

So is there a Peugeot called a 1970Z or is the seller mistaken?

If the price can be talked down, and if the fork damage is real, is this something worth parting out for the vintage Peugeot crowd?

Originally Posted by SkyDog75 View Post

The pictured bike appears to have Simplex quick release skewers, which can fetch a few bucks. And likewise its original Ventolux frame pump.
Are the prices I'm seeing for those parts on ebay ($50-$100 for pump, $30-$60 for skewers) optimistic or realistic?

And just to clarify I don't really have an interest in buying since my stable is full but the price with a brand that is unknown to me was enough of a combination for me to wonder what it is and the actual value.
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So is there a Peugeot called a 1970Z or is the seller mistaken?
Nope. Seller is clueless.
If the price can be talked down, and if the fork damage is real, is this something worth parting out for the vintage Peugeot crowd?
I would say no. There are thousands of those old Peugeots around, often for far less than $100 in similar shape.

Are the prices I'm seeing for those parts on ebay ($50-$100 for pump, $30-$60 for skewers) optimistic or realistic?
IMO not realistic.

Mind you, I have an old Peugeot of that era and it can be a fabulous bike to ride, but it takes money, knowledge, and careful parts selection to make it so. The average rider won’t see that potential or know how to unlock it.
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Yeah from my reading of Sheldon Brown's site I know vintage Peugeots are difficult bikes for folks who don't really get what they have. I do find them quite beautiful but like I said I don't really have an interest in owning this, this thread was more curiosity driven.

If it ends up going up for free I may grab it and part it out anyway since that will cost me little.

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Old 04-01-18, 12:54 PM
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"1970Z" is undoubtedly the seller's misspelling (intentional or otherwise) of "1970s" (i.e., "Peugeot bike built in the 1970s").
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Looks like it has Mafac brakes (judging from what can be seen of the pad mounting) but the left lever appears to me to be Weinmann or DiaCompe. Right lever has a bad half-hood and probably crappy condition white cover on the lever. Hubs look like Normandy Sport. The rear may be French threaded. Probably has plastic Simplex derailleurs which are, how shall I say it, problematic. Probably the pedals have 14mm thread and can be salvaged, but probably aren't worth much.

I'm not seeing a lot there to love.
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Originally Posted by desconhecido View Post
Looks like it has Mafac brakes (judging from what can be seen of the pad mounting) but the left lever appears to me to be Weinmann or DiaCompe. Right lever has a bad half-hood and probably crappy condition white cover on the lever. Hubs look like Normandy Sport. The rear may be French threaded. Probably has plastic Simplex derailleurs which are, how shall I say it, problematic. Probably the pedals have 14mm thread and can be salvaged, but probably aren't worth much.

I'm not seeing a lot there to love.
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wrt brake levers - the original MAFAC left lever has been replaced with Weinmann so that an extension lever can be used. the original MAFAC lever retained on the right. it has been adapted to accept an extension lever with one of the kits made in the U.S. (see below) hence the slightly odd appearance.

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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
In that condition $50-75, it needs a lot of cleaning and probably new tires.

I hope it is just the pic and angle of the wheel but that fork looks bent
Yes, and the head tube looks nearly vertical as well. Amazing how many people rammed their bikes into things in those days.
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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wrt brake levers - the original MAFAC have been replaced with Weinmann so that extension levers can be used. the original MAFAC half hoods were retained. hence the slightly odd appearance.

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I don't know. That lever looks a lot like this Mafac only in white instead of black. Doesn't matter, really, my point is that those levers don't have a lot of salvage value.


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A definite pass there are others out there...not worth the effort to part out either.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
I hope it is just the pic and angle of the wheel but that fork looks bent
I'm sure it's bent, also why the left brake lever was replaced, and the foam bartape has a bit of roadrash, as well as that large gouge in the paint on the non-drive chainstay makes it look like the crank arm hit it.

The early Q/R skewers are nice, though.
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No deformation to frame.

Enlarge first image and examine area just behind head lugs. You will see there is not the slightest crinkling of paint finish to be found.

"almost vertical head tube" appearance caused by:

a) downward angle of photo perspective

b) cycle being tilted toward camera

c) front wheel turned ot cycle's left

d) this frame design has a head a few degrees steeper than the seat
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Originally Posted by FelixScout View Post
Thank you all.

A few follow up questions:

So is there a Peugeot called a 1970Z or is the seller mistaken?

If the price can be talked down, and if the fork damage is real, is this something worth parting out for the vintage Peugeot crowd?



Are the prices I'm seeing for those parts on ebay ($50-$100 for pump, $30-$60 for skewers) optimistic or realistic?

And just to clarify I don't really have an interest in buying since my stable is full but the price with a brand that is unknown to me was enough of a combination for me to wonder what it is and the actual value.
There a bit optimistic but with nice markeding buy a experieced seller I would say clearing $20 on the scewers and $25 on the pump is a bit more realistic. It is pretty common that experianced sellers almost always strip these that is why they were noted on this bike.
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