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Old 04-06-18, 12:36 PM
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Orbea vintage bicycle I think

Hi guys
I found this bike and I don't know if it's very old or what label it is.
I think it's an Spanish Orbea based on the settle .
Please advise me
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Hello Mirian I and welcome to the forum!

Do you have the bicycle at hand or are these images all you have?

You might wish to look for names on the cycle's fittings.

For example are brakes Olimpic? Hubs Olimpic, Alfa, Amuat?

Pedals look like they may be Notario.

Detail images would help readers to give you additional information.

From what can be seen in images bicycle appears it may be from 1950's or early 1960's.

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Old 04-08-18, 02:06 AM
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I don't have the bike but I will speak with the guy who has it to make closer photos for the hubs, brakes,wheels, crank
I want to buy it and maybe resell it if it's worth it.
But I don't know what to ask for it.. This is why I need you guys. You are the experts
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Saddles come and go. So I would not assume brand based on brand of saddle. My Panasonic right now has a Cannondale saddle on it. Looks like it has been painted poorly. That is going to cap value.
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Saddles come and go. So I would not assume brand based on brand of saddle. My Panasonic right now has a Cannondale saddle on it. Looks like it has been painted poorly. That is going to cap value.
so not to buy it? it's 20$
I hoped it's really old and maybe worth some good money
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Ok, itís likely an Orbea.

Around here at $20 Iíd buy for the parts, mainly the saddle, but other parts too. Getting it ready to ride: tires, tubes, service, deal with rust, would cost me $50 to $75 plus take several hours.

Does an old Orbea cruiser repainted badly have more value than an old Raleigh?

If you are going to buy bikes to make money then you need to know your market and decide what your time is worth.

Really old does not always mean a lot of value.

Start with what you think you could sell it for and work backwards. Donít fix up bikes where the cost of consumables exceeds the value of the finished product. The paint is a major turn off to me. I have no idea where you live so I have no idea what you could sell it for. Around here as is Iíd get more for the saddle than the complete bike.

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ok so maybe buy the bike and sell it for parts
if is old doesn't necessary mean it's worth a lot of money
by the way I am from Romania
please advise me what bikes vintage bikes can make some money
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I do not have some secret list, nor do I know anything about the Romania market. Its taken me 20 years to get where I am today. No way I can type up some simple recap on my 20 years of learning along the way.

Some highlights:

Generally on vintage bikes in my area, touring bikes do the best, followed by racing bikes. Think top of the line stuff, with top of the line frame tubing and top of the line components. Cruisers, 3 speeds, tandems, kids bikes, and similar are nearly impossible to sell for almost any price.

If you are going to buy stuff with the goal of making a profit, then YOU will need to become very knowledgeable about your market. It doesn't matter whether you are selling bicycles, golf clubs, stereo equipment, or whatever, the person with the most knowledge WINS. I know of no short cuts. If it was easy to become that knowledgeable, then there would be little to no profit in it.

If I started buying guitars to make a profit, I would very likely LOSE money, a lot of money! Why? Because I know little or nothing about guitars.

I also know that the best profit potential bikes in my market are at the higher pricing. Very little profit in $50 bikes, lots of potential profit in the $400 bikes. But you have to know what to look for, and you will need to be proficient enough to do all necessary repairs yourself. What makes one $400 bike a great deal while another $400 bike is overpriced? Thats where knowledge kicks in.

Generally, its easier to make money on a coat than a bicycle. Coats require no work, buy right, and you can do quite well. My best single flip this year was a mountain climber's down jacket with matching bibs. Bought at a thrift store for $4, sold for $675. Meanwhile, its EASY to lose money on bikes. Pay too much, overlook some fatal flaw, or whatever, and you are going to lose. I've donated off 50 bikes (mistakes) recently. Lets assume I paid an average of $40 for each of those bikes. Thats $2000 down the drain. OUCH! To be fair, thats a few years worth of mistakes, but it adds up! And I likely paid more than that. I have to have some really profitable finds to overcome mistakes.

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I understand
TKS for the advice
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
I do not have some secret list, nor do I know anything about the Romania market. Its taken me 20 years to get where I am today. No way I can type up some simple recap on my 20 years of learning along the way.

Some highlights:

Generally on vintage bikes in my area, touring bikes do the best, followed by racing bikes. Think top of the line stuff, with top of the line frame tubing and top of the line components. Cruisers, 3 speeds, tandems, kids bikes, and similar are nearly impossible to sell for almost any price.

If you are going to buy stuff with the goal of making a profit, then YOU will need to become very knowledgeable about your market. It doesn't matter whether you are selling bicycles, golf clubs, stereo equipment, or whatever, the person with the most knowledge WINS. I know of no short cuts. If it was easy to become that knowledgeable, then there would be little to no profit in it.

If I started buying guitars to make a profit, I would very likely LOSE money, a lot of money! Why? Because I know little or nothing about guitars.

I also know that the best profit potential bikes in my market are at the higher pricing. Very little profit in $50 bikes, lots of potential profit in the $400 bikes. But you have to know what to look for, and you will need to be proficient enough to do all necessary repairs yourself. What makes one $400 bike a great deal while another $400 bike is overpriced? Thats where knowledge kicks in.

Generally, its easier to make money on a coat than a bicycle. Coats require no work, buy right, and you can do quite well. My best single flip this year was a mountain climber's down jacket with matching bibs. Bought at a thrift store for $4, sold for $675. Meanwhile, its EASY to lose money on bikes. Pay too much, overlook some fatal flaw, or whatever, and you are going to lose. I've donated off 50 bikes (mistakes) recently. Lets assume I paid an average of $40 for each of those bikes. Thats $2000 down the drain. OUCH! To be fair, thats a few years worth of mistakes, but it adds up! And I likely paid more than that. I have to have some really profitable finds to overcome mistakes.
Price has nose dived, but about ten years ago I was the last person to look through a box of records (Records, and audio equipment lead to my digging, and back into cycling) and in that box was Freddy Cole, The Cole Nobody Knows. Nobody that looked in that box knew what they were doing. I sold that record for $320. Paid $1.
A year later I was at a record show and a guy pulls out a box of records at almost noon. Why? Who knows. $1 a record. Some goofy kid who said he had a shop in Georgetown looked through the box first. I walked over and looked. To my surprise was the highly desirable Lightnin Hopkins, Lightnin and the blues. The record was/is NM, Nice sleeve. Gave the guy a $1. How do you set up at a show, are older, and then another dope who says he has a shop not know what this record is you have to be clueless. But this kind of stuff happens all the time.
Here is another $1 find. At least this one is tricky, you really have to know your shtuff, my actual auction, if it didn't have two deep marks on side three you could have quadrupled the price, https://www.popsike.com/Ansermet-The...668225325.html Paid $1
You can imagine how many people wouldn't now what that hell that is. And many different LATTER pressings. Mono not worth anywhere near what stereo is (Like most early stereo classical records).....
So you have to know. I can use other examples. American Indian Pottery, Asian Art, Comic Books, bikes, how much should you pay........
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If you fumble around at the below link you'll find a wealth of old Orbea Catalogs and such.


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