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Old 05-18-18, 03:11 AM
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Univega Supra Sport

I'm trying to find out what most would consider the fair value would be on a 1981 Univega Supra Sport 12 speed road bike would be?
The bike is a solid 8 out of 10. Good tires, near perfect paint, no crash damage, never had a kickstand on it, Suntour AR derailleurs, Sunshine LF hubs, Araya 27" alloy rims, Suntour DT Friction shifters, Sugino VT crankset. SR Laprade seat post, Dia Compe 500 calipers and levers and new padded leather bar tape in white. Frame is marked 'triple butted chromoly tubing throughout' but there is no tubing brand decal.
The bike was a solid upper mid grade bike that sold new for $465 plus tax in 1981. That was a lot of money back then for a bike. Back then. I have the original receipt, it was still in the small saddle bag with the dealer name on it.
Its dark metallic gray in color with gold lug outlines. Looks almost metallic black in the sunlight. The bike was ridden less than 100 miles back when new and stored by my brother. I found it in the closet when I bought my father's old house last fall. Its too small for me so I tried selling it on CL and didn't get a single reply in over a year. I'm curious what one of these should sell for before I give it a try here again.
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We can't really give a valuation without pictures especially of the drive side.
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This isn't adding up. The Supra Sport was an upper entry level model, near the bottom of the Univega line-up. It wouldn't have cost anywhere near $495 in 1981. Also, it wouldn't have had triple butted tubing at that time. Based on the tubing decal, this sounds like a Miyata manufactured, mid-1980s model and that the pouch with receipt may have been transferred from another bicycle. Please include a photo of the serial number, along with the others.
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Upper mid grade with 27 inch wheels and AR derailleurs? No.

No offers on C/L after listing for a year? The market has spoken. You are asking too much. Realize that a bike that has been sitting for 30 years will need substantial maintenance. Low miles don't matter except for condition of paint (which can be more affected in how stored, rather than how many miles). And in some markets, vintage bikes don't bring much. Hopefully you don't live in one of those markets.

In my area, the pricing is definitely down on the lower end stuff. People still value the top of the line models. I recently sold a very nice mixte. Took a while, sold for about 1/3 less than I used to get a few years ago. Even at the lower price, I only had one single response. Fortunately, they bought it.

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Nobody's knocking your bike -- it's just that the mix of components and the price don't really line up with what we know the Supra Sport to be, or what components were available in 1981. Several folks on these forums (and especially T-Mar above) have an encyclopedic knowledge of 80's Japanese bikes from their time in the industry back then. Pictures will be very helpful in determining exactly what you have and its potential value.
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I had one of these for a bit and found it a surprisingly lively, fun ride. But i also donít remember it having decals indicating the triple-butted frame...

Mine was black with red cables, and iirc it had a snalll rainbow sticker on it somewhere?
With these I think thereís going to be a lot of competition, so trying to sell for even a couple hundred, esp with 27Ē wheels, is unlikely unless you get someone who had one as a kid.
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Need pics. How about showing the receipt? Maybe there is a clue on it as to what bike it really is, or isn't. We're just here to help. I'm a Miyata fan and if they made your bike (which is likely) it is decent.
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I had one of these for a bit and found it a surprisingly lively, fun ride. But i also donít remember it having decals indicating the triple-butted frame...
I have one too, a 1982, and agree it is a nice rider. And it does have a "triple-butted" sticker on it.

Some guy has had one (but with only one so-so pic) listed for well over a year on Philly and South Jersey CLs, and in that time he has dropped the price from $200 down to $150. Apparently he is a patient dude, and will really learn the market value of his bike. Someday.
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I had one till about two years ago, I bought it new in the early 80's myself, mine had the triple butted tubing decal and 27" wheels. When I bought it, the cheapest Univega on the floor then was just over $250, with steel wheels and stem shifters, there were two steel wheel models, then one that was alloy wheels with stem shifters, then a chrome moly frame model with dt shifters and alloy wheels with high flange hubs. Then the Supra Sport, then there were two models above it, one with 700C clinchers, and one with tubular tires. The price range went from $250 up to just over $1500. I paid $399 for my Supra Sport, I have the receipt for mine somewhere, but no clue where.
The next model was several hundred dollars more. Univega was that dealer's second or third model line and was a bit less pricey then their Raleigh bikes that year.

Personally, I always thought it was a pretty decent ride, I used it for a few seasons and hung it up after buying another bike or two. I finally sold mine last summer for $220 on CL. I put new tires on it and gave it full relube of all bearings before listing it. Mine was also metallic charcoal gray, not black as most I've seen pictured online. Price wise they didn't hold their value all that great, I've gotten the same money out of Schwinn Varsity's. Lately though its been easier to sell cheap, low end bikes than anything of quality, the current buyers seem only to relate to what's sold in Walmart these days,
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I donít know if itís just that they only relate to Walmart bikes, but (vis a vis a mass-market Univega selling or not selling) that thereís a lot of examples out there.
When I was little, a Univega was like a step-up bike from the crappy kidsí bike youíd start with, and maybe compared to some other brands people perceive that thereís a lot of them and they are easy to find, thus short money.

But I agree it could be hard to convince someone who doesnít have that classic & vintage love to go for this over a brand-new BSO at $1-200 from a big box store.
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It's probably worth somewhere between $75 and $275 depending on who wants it. Worth more if it's all clean and shiny with new tires & drive chain. Worth less if it's not ready to ride.
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I don't have any pics with me here, (On Vacation in FL). The bike is clean and shiny with two year old tires and new bar tape. Its similar to the one listed in South Jersey CL now but in a smaller frame.
The frame definitely says Triple butted Chromoly tubing, it came with the AR Suntour package and VT cranks. The next model above it when this was bought came with Cyclone II derailleurs, the top model had Superbe or Blueline derailleurs and tubular tires. There were more models below it then above it. As far as the brand, back then, we had one dealer who sold Nishiki and Peugeot, another with Raleigh and Schwinn, and another with Univega and Trek.
Univega was pretty much the same as the same year Nishiki bikes, my second choice would have been a Nishiki International that year for about the same money. Only the top model or two had 700C wheels, with the very top being sew up tires or a 'track bike'. It was either third or fourth from the top or fourth or fifth from the bottom of the line, either way, to me that's upper mid grade, for the price, it certainly was as well.
The bike was only ridden about 100 miles, maybe less, its in new condition physically and was kept in the house in a spare bedroom for nearly 40 years. Its basically a new bike with some dust on it and newer tires. The tires are skinwall IRC Kevlar 27x 1 1/8"
I had it listed at $150, then $100. Its not going anywhere for under a $100. I'd hang it on the wall in the den before I'll give it away. I don't see anything better listed on CL either.. There's lots of junk price at or around $100, mostly all department store bikes, and a few unknown brand newer bikes listed for big money that always just seem to sit there for years.
The only thing I sold recently bike wise on CL was an old Schwinn Unicycle that I listed for $250, I got a few emails, a guy offered $175 and I took it.

What gets me is that if I'm interested in something on CL, regardless of the price, I'll shoot an email off and make an offer, they either take it, counter offer or just say no. I don't even get that with most bikes. When something won't sell, it won't sell at any price.
I can't believe how many people will complain about the color of something even after looking at the pics, driving an hour or more then say they're not interested because they don't like the color.
I listed a pickup for sale after buying a new truck last year, the old truck had 85k on it and looked great, it was garage kept and had no issues. A guy drove down from NY, over two hours, to look at my truck, he looked it all over, said he loved the truck but hated the color. He went on how he'd never own a white truck. Did he expect me to paint it for him? I've had the same thing with bikes, I had a guy show up to look at an orange Varsity, he said the bike looked like new but he couldn't get past the color and he had to pass. I had the bike listed at $275.
His buddy with him asked him in front of me if he was going to buy the bike or not, he said he didn't want an orange bike. The buddy forked over the cash and they left.
They were from Long Island, a good 2+ hour drive from me. If you hate the color, why on earth would someone drive 2 hours to not buy something?
I'm getting more and more of this these days on CL. I can't tell if their just tire kickers or if they just have nothing better to do.
I had a woman the other day email about some used luggage I had for sale, she emailed four or five times, I gave her a phone number to call and after speaking to her for a bit I gave her my address.
She showed up the next morning on time. She looked it all over but said she wanted to look around a bit more before she bought anything. I told her no problem, let me know. Two hours later she called me and said she wanted the luggage, but didn't want to drive all the way back here. She wanted me to bring it to here over 2 hours away. I told here its not worth it to me for a $50 item.
Four hours later I noticed her parked across the street in her SUV. She sat there staring at my house for an hour. I finally walked out to my mailbox and when I did she took off.
An hour later she was back but she parked down the block a ways. She walked up the street and sat down on my patio but never knocked or rang the bell???
I finally opened the door and asked what she was doing and she just scurried off and left. An hour later she was sitting on my lawn in the rain??? I called the police and after being detained for a bit she left. She never called back and the luggage sold that night to someone else who wasn't crazy.
The type of buyer I'm seeing off of CL lately has been getting stranger and stranger. People who show up with no money, people who won't or can't speak or hold a conversation, and a few that were just plain freaks. I had one woman show up with five young kids to look at a three speed bike, she came to the door with an 8' Python around her neck and got pissed when I wouldn't let her in the house. I had a woman show up with goat in hand, it was only the size of a terrier but she had it in a handbag like a dog. I didn't worry much about till she tried to let it run around loose. I told her it and her had to leave. She was looking at a grandfather clock I had listed.
I had a guy show up to look at a beach cruiser I listed, he showed up with 8 kids, his wife, and mother-in-law to look at the bike that I had listed for $50. He spent an hour trying to buy it for $40 then finally forked over the $50 and left. A month later he called and said he bought a newer bike and would I give him his money back. I told him to relist and sell it himself, this isn't Walmart.
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I have one too, a 1982, and agree it is a nice rider. And it does have a "triple-butted" sticker on it.

Some guy has had one (but with only one so-so pic) listed for well over a year on Philly and South Jersey CLs, and in that time he has dropped the price from $200 down to $150. Apparently he is a patient dude, and will really learn the market value of his bike. Someday.
I looked at that bike on SJ CL, its a nice bike but it just wasn't a fit for me. The frame on that one also read triple butted Chromoly tubes. It was in really nice shape, the tires were older but servicable and the paint was in decent shape with only a bit of cable wear on the DT decals. The wheels were dead true, the bike was light, all bearings felt smooth and with no excess play, and it rode nice. It was just too long for my reach these days, as I get older I find I need a bike with a shorter reach to the handle bars. I got the impression that the seller would have taken a bit less but I thought $150 was more than fair for a bike like that. I've both sold and paid far more for a lot less over the years and with a real shortage of vintage bikes around here, it didn't seem a bad deal. I was actually a bit disappointed that it really didn't fit me. It was by far the best bike I looked at in several months.
I ended up buying an older Raleigh Super Grand Prix that fit me like a glove but I had to pay quite a bit more for it. For some reason, I've always found that British and French bikes fit me best all around. I've only had one or two Asian bikes that fit me right, one being a Panasonic, the other being a Nishiki.

I remember looking at one back in the day, they were way out of my price range then, not far from Raleigh or Schwinn prices. I ended up buying a Trek 410 at the time for about $150 less than the Univega. .
Nearly all road bikes at that time had 27" wheels, only the top two or three models would get 700c wheels and those were too light or built only in what I would call a race geometry and not that great on the road.
I seem to think that the Supra Sport was third or fourth from the top, with a slew of steel wheel models and below it. I also seem to remember that the top model had tubs.
Univega never seemed like an entry level brand to me, they were pricier than most other brands here and competed against Motobecane, Peugeot, Gitane, and Nishiki at that time. Nishiki was more common but it was far cheaper, a similar Nishiki at that time could be had for not much more than half the cost of a similarly equiped Univega. Raleigh, Trek, Scwhinn, and Cannondale were the top dollar bikes usually priced out of reach of the average working guy. As time went on brands like Giant and Fuji popped up and took the place of Univega and Nishiki around here. These days, there are no shops, no bikes on the road and no interest in old bikes it seems.
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I had a woman the other day email about some used luggage I had for sale, she emailed four or five times, I gave her a phone number to call and after speaking to her for a bit I gave her my address.
She showed up the next morning on time. She looked it all over but said she wanted to look around a bit more before she bought anything. I told her no problem, let me know. Two hours later she called me and said she wanted the luggage, but didn't want to drive all the way back here. She wanted me to bring it to here over 2 hours away. I told here its not worth it to me for a $50 item.
Four hours later I noticed her parked across the street in her SUV. She sat there staring at my house for an hour. I finally walked out to my mailbox and when I did she took off.
An hour later she was back but she parked down the block a ways. She walked up the street and sat down on my patio but never knocked or rang the bell???
I finally opened the door and asked what she was doing and she just scurried off and left. An hour later she was sitting on my lawn in the rain??? I called the police and after being detained for a bit she left. She never called back and the luggage sold that night to someone else who wasn't crazy.
The type of buyer I'm seeing off of CL lately has been getting stranger and stranger. People who show up with no money, people who won't or can't speak or hold a conversation, and a few that were just plain freaks. I had one woman show up with five young kids to look at a three speed bike, she came to the door with an 8' Python around her neck and got pissed when I wouldn't let her in the house. I had a woman show up with goat in hand, it was only the size of a terrier but she had it in a handbag like a dog. I didn't worry much about till she tried to let it run around loose. I told her it and her had to leave. She was looking at a grandfather clock I had listed.
I had a guy show up to look at a beach cruiser I listed, he showed up with 8 kids, his wife, and mother-in-law to look at the bike that I had listed for $50. He spent an hour trying to buy it for $40 then finally forked over the $50 and left. A month later he called and said he bought a newer bike and would I give him his money back. I told him to relist and sell it himself, this isn't Walmart.
Yeah, after all that, I think I'd give up on CL.
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Yeah, after all that, I think I'd give up on CL.
Yeah, sounds like [OP] had a run of exceptionally bad luck... or is living in a real-life Twin Peaks.
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I had a burgundy color bike once, buyer shows up and declares he can't buy it because it was SC Gamecock color. In SC, its all about Clemson and USC. You love one and hate the other.

The good news with C/L is it is free. The bad news is everything else. Low ballers, people who don't show up, whatever. Anymore I donate the stuff in the $100 to $150 range. Not worth the grief.
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The good news with C/L is it is free. The bad news is everything else. Low ballers, people who don't show up, whatever. Anymore I donate the stuff in the $100 to $150 range. Not worth the grief.
The problem is that around here, $150 is big money these days, you can't sell a $1500 bike for $100 these days. I've had some pretty decent rides, and found that the higher end stuff just don't move, it don't even get emails. They don't know what it is and don't even look at it. They only know the department store brands so that's all they look for. Its gotten to the point where that thinking has been handed down to the next generation too.
I had guy here, (mid-20's in age), who showed up to look at a couple bikes I had listed. He had answered an ad for a Ross Eurosport 5 speed that looked brand new. I had $80 on it. He saw a couple of badly rusted Free Spirit bikes laying atop a trailer I was taking for scrap, they were rusted to the point that they were completely brown with no paint left except where the decals were. I had cut out the rear hubs and removed the three speed shifters but they were otherwise complete. He went on about how I should fix them up, "Those are worth money, they were the best bikes ever". He went on how he and his brother jumped ramps on one till the frame snapped back after digging it out of his dad's garage. "It kept going even though the tires were completely flat". He bought the Ross, and some Walmart full suspension bike for $50, I gave him the two Sears bikes off the pile, You would have thought I gave him a new car. He proceeded to stuff those two rusty bikes into the back seat of his Prius, while the two working bikes he just bought got strapped to the roof like a dead deer.
I've got a neighbor here that sells a lot on CL, he goes to Harbor Freight and buys things using coupons, and sells them for more than full price on CL, and people buy it. (HF is two blocks away). Yet if I list name brand tools for the same price, they don't even reply. What people recognize as quality has changed, they've been fed nothing but china junk for so long its all they know.

When it comes to selling around here, its either CL, eBay, or the local fleamarket. The local newspapers are a waste of time as is the couple of free classified papers that are in this area. I don't think anyone even still gets the newspaper, I don't know a single person who still gets a newspaper these days, the internet has just about replaced newpapers.
eBay takes a big chunk of the sale, plus you have to deal with the buyers who receive an item and then return a box of rocks after saying its not what they expected. You get dinged for the shipping and sale price by PayPal, and the buyer gets a free item. I had it happen a half dozen times with bike parts, and a few times with other items so I said no more eBay. The local classified papers rarely produce any calls, and when they do, its someone trying to sell something. CL has been the best so far, but its full of scammers and flakes. I can't count how many really strange people I've run across on CL, a few were downright scary. (There's nothing like going to a house to look at something and walking into a house full of snakes, pitbulls, or even one very portly, completely nude elderly woman who answered the door with a three foot alligator over her shoulder).
I buy a lot off CL, and find a ton of deals, but as time goes on, you learn to be very cautious about going to someone's door or even answering the door when its you that's doing the selling. The best one lately was an ad for an older 10hp outboard, it was less than 10 miles from me and the guy said he just wanted it gone. I drove over there, after dark, and when I approached the front door it sounded like there were horses running around in the house. After calling the guy in the phone, he finally answered, covered head to toe in paint. He said hold on a minute, he hollered "Time out", and said come in. The whole family was playing paintball, in the house, the place was shot up with paintball ink everywhere. I walked into the dining room and he had the motor laying on the dining room table, still dripping wet from where he had just had it running. I forked over the $100 for the motor and left with it, figuring I had seen enough. He had even offered to start it up, he was trying to hold on to it while his kid pulled the rope to start it, with the fuel tank sitting on the table. No sooner I walked out of the house I heard the commotion start again.
I had a couple show up to look at a barbecue grill I had listed last week, they showed up just after dark, both were in their mid 20's or so. While I was talking to the husband and firing up the grill to show him all the burners worked, I saw his wife, three feet behind him, squat down and urinate on my driveway like it was totally normal. When I hollered at her, the husband just laughed and told her "That'll teach you to drink so much beer in the car".
She was drunk, he was clueless but they bought the grill and left. They drove away, then stopped the truck half way down the block and she ran behind someone's hedge row for a minute or two.

CL has been around now for at least 20 years, it has gotten better and a bit more controlled. I've been using it for at least 15 years. It used to be my second choice to eBay but when eBay took away the right of a seller to leave negative feedback on problem buyers, I went to almost nothing but CL. Its not perfect but right now its really the only game in town.
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Be careful. It sounds like they're a lot of rednecks on dope around you. Some of them probably qualify for the Darwin Award.
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I don't know what area Barn is from but its not just a problem in his area, I've had dozens of downright strange encounters with CL buyers and sellers.
Most seem to reply as a sport, with no intention of buying even if they actually show up. I had a guy last week want me fix a mangled front rim on a bike I sold him 5 years ago.
He said he was just riding along and it folded in half. Funny thing was the forks and frame were bent as well. I thought I was going to have to call the police to get rid of him. Worse yet, it was a cheaper bike, an
old Ross beach cruiser that I sold for maybe $50 tops back then.

There's also nothing like finally selling a nice vintage bike that you held out on go get your price and then seeing it chained up at Walmart a week later with a pair of rusty steel baskets bolted on it and a fresh camo paint job.

Back on topic here, that Univega doesn't sound like a bad deal, I regularly price them in the $150 range depending on the condition, even for lesser models. The Supra Sport was a pretty nice bike, you got alloy rims, better brakes, alloy bars, stem, seat post, etc. on a triple butted chromoly frame. Regardless of the wheel size, its a decent package. Having 700C wheels wouldn't make it any better a bike in my eyes, maybe even a deterent around here once they see the Presta valve stems. I've gotten to the point now where I automatically just drill the rim for a schrader valve and change out the tubes. Unless its something really special, I toss the Presta valves if I want it to sell.
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