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Old 08-09-18, 09:54 AM
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Ciocc with Shimano 6oo

Once again I need to tap into the collective wisdom of this lovely forum... How much would you pay for this bike? Looks to be a Ciocc from the early 80s with Shimano 600 SIS groupset, Cinelli bars, Mundialita saddle and Mavic wheels. Condition is 9/10 except for the hoods (are replacements readily available?). I'm thinking in the range of $600-$800? Thanks in advance!!

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Group is 6207 and/or 6208, which is 1985-87. Dia Compe/Cane Creek non-aero hoods can be made to fit with a little surgery and some bar tape, but original hoods are very scarce. I'd be thinking the lower end of the scale you mentioned.
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So, if the seller will take $300, I should run over there? I am guessing the frame set alone is worth that?
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It is generally set up as a mid level bike based on the component group and other stuff on it. It all comes down to what tubing it has.
Columbus Tretubi, Cromor or Gara will mean it won't be worth more than maybe 500 some bucks (the VG condition really helps). SL could get it up to the 600 level and slightly higher, to the right buyer. SLX could elevate it to 800, or over 1K if the component group was at least Campy Chorus....
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Not willing to offer an opinion about its value without knowing more about the tube set, but FYI Shimano 600, while perfectly functional, was not a particularly sought-after group set in its own time. 600 occupied a very different relationship vis-a-vis Dura Ace in those days; while it was still Shimano's next-best group, it's not like Ultegra now, which is prized and runs a close second to Dura Ace.

But please feel free to be an idiot and disagree with me, especially if you weren't into cycling in those days.
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OK, the guy let me have it for $300... I think it's a pretty good deal, even if it's lower gauge tubing (there's no tubing decal but I assume it's Cromor or something at that level). I think it would be a stretch to say that the bike even has 100 miles on it. The chainrings look brand new, as do the paint and wheels. I was sold by the bike's condition and the really cool two-tone paint. I'm just going to throw on some Dia-Compe gum hoods (the old ones look like they just rotted out). It has pretty narrow bars (38s) but I figured I'd give them a go before switching out to my normal 42s. The tires are super narrow 20s, but have cracks so I'm going to just throw on some Vittoria Corsa G+ tires I have laying around in a size 23. So besides the tires, new hoods and quick overhaul, I think it's ready to ride!
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OK, the guy let me have it for $300... I think it's a pretty good deal, even if it's lower gauge tubing (there's no tubing decal but I assume it's Cromor or something at that level). I think it would be a stretch to say that the bike even has 100 miles on it. The chainrings look brand new, as do the paint and wheels. I was sold by the bike's condition and the really cool two-tone paint. I'm just going to throw on some Dia-Compe gum hoods (the old ones look like they just rotted out). It has pretty narrow bars (38s) but I figured I'd give them a go before switching out to my normal 42s. The tires are super narrow 20s, but have cracks so I'm going to just throw on some Vittoria Corsa G+ tires I have laying around in a size 23. So besides the tires, new hoods and quick overhaul, I think it's ready to ride!
You done real good imho.
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You done real good imho.
Thanks! Pretty amazing what you can get for $300 nowadays...
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I agree, probably not a top end model but looks real nice and also would have jumped on it for that price. Enjoy!
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OP,
It may not be a "top" end model but I would say that you did extremely well....how many Ciocc's have you seen at this price point that are as nice as this one?
I would buy these all day at 300.00 you did well...very well.
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Agreed, $300 was a good deal. The livery dates to when Veltec/Boyer was the distributor.This, in conjunction with Shimano New 600EX, would place it circa 1986-1987. New 600EX was excellent value in a mid-range group for the era. It performed well and arguably gave away little to Dura-Ace in the critical parameters of shifting and braking. For most, the 170g weight saving and other differences didn't justify by the ~$250 price increase of Dura-Ace. Many cost conscious cyclists competed successfully on New 600EX models. The nondescript tubing suggest a low end frame, possibly even below Cromor. Still, it's a beautiful, nicely manufactured frame. Enjoy!
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Agreed, $300 was a good deal. The livery dates to when Veltec/Boyer was the distributor.This, in conjunction with Shimano New 600EX, would place it circa 1986-1987. New 600EX was excellent value in a mid-range group for the era. It performed well and arguably gave away little to Dura-Ace in the critical parameters of shifting and braking. For most, the 170g weight saving and other differences didn't justify by the ~$250 price increase of Dura-Ace. Many cost conscious cyclists competed successfully on New 600EX models. The nondescript tubing suggest a low end frame, possibly even below Cromor. Still, it's a beautiful, nicely manufactured frame. Enjoy!
Wow, thanks for the detailed info... I haven't had a chance to ride it yet, but interested to see how it will perform compared to my other 80s rides. A prior bike I had with 600 shifted very well and made the Campy stuff from the same era seem outdated. I had an Aelle framed Olmo and I wasn't terribly impressed with the weight and ride feel (so I'm hoping this isn't like that). I'll let you guys know once I throw a leg over it. Even if it doesn't ride like the higher end stuff, I guess I have a very pretty grocer getter!
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