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Old 08-09-18, 04:24 PM
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1971 Raleigh something or other

Hey all,
my previous post "mystery Italian bike" had an incorrect thread title once I understood more about the bike. I also have it in hand now so I thought I'd make a new one and share some more detailed pics.
Judging by the serial number database here: http://www.kurtkaminer.com/TH_raleigh_serials.html It fits neatly into the 1971 time slot.
I know it is not a super course or a grand prix because it is just the 6 digit number but I am unsure about anything else. Couple of quirky things;
the rear derailur is mounted with a claw but looks to have a brazed on mount. Anyone know why this would be done?
I cant find even a relic of any decals except the 531 sticker and the bike doesnt look repainted.
anyway
what would lot say it's worth?
Heres some pics.


Serial number 238858


Suntour power shifters. Ive never seen these before. Funny thing about them is going up they are smooth, but coming back down they click. Better for tuning perhaps?


531 sticker that has seen better days


Melrimo stem and unbranded headset


Shimano Tourney derailur. Says its indexed despite being attached to friction shifters. clearly aftermarket


Cranks and chainring. Some rust in the bolts but over all good shape, also a suntour vx front derailur


Sake Rander road champion handlebars. Love the look of these.
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I'm pretty sure that IS a Super Course - to my knowledge, the ONLY Raleigh that combined Nervex Professional lugs, stamped dropouts with chromed rear stays, plus all the usual 60s-70s Raleigh/Carlton brazed-on bits. And it really IS a repaint. The flaking off Reynolds 531 sticker (which someone took the time to mask off) that indicates the main 3 tubes are plain gauge 531 reveals the bike's original bronze green color, and if you look along the bottom edge you'll see the funky blue-green colored primer Raleigh used on these. Spend some time prowling around the Super Course thread and you'll see those colors and more. Not a Grand Prix, though, and not a higher up the line model. As far as I know, during this period the ONLY Raleigh with a 3-tube plain gauge 531 frameset and Nervex Pro lugs was the Super Course.

The funkiness on the dropouts is because that looks like a Huret pattern dropout, which has its shoulder or notch or whatever more like at a 6:00 rather than the standard Campagnolo 9:00-ish location. Should you choose to do so, I always found SunTour V-GT Luxe derailleurs worked just fine in those.

There is something funky about the larger Raleighs, and my perception is that you're more likely to see variance from catalog specs, serial number lists, normal lug patterns, etc., when you get into the 25-inch-ish Super Courses and Gran Sports. With SCs, I've seen Bocama type 14 lugs not used on any other Raleighs to my knowledge, and more likely on early 70s 25-in Super Courses. Early 70s Gran(d) Sport(s) variants typically require a derailleur mounting claw - EXCEPT for a certain number of 25-inch or so examples with Zeus Competition stamped dropouts with an integral mounting eye.

The SunTour shifters are some of my personal favorites. The SunTour power ratchet shifters were later refined to work with smaller click detents, and the later versions are what Grant Peterson had copied into the current Silver shifters. These originals work beautifully, especially if you remember to oil them periodically. I currently have a set shifting Campy Nuovo Record derailleurs on my Allegro, and I will be using another set on my Liberia as I reassemble it.
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I'm pretty sure that IS a Super Course - to my knowledge, the ONLY Raleigh that combined Nervex Professional lugs, stamped dropouts with chromed rear stays, plus all the usual 60s-70s Raleigh/Carlton brazed-on bits. And it really IS a repaint. The flaking off Reynolds 531 sticker (which someone took the time to mask off) that indicates the main 3 tubes are plain gauge 531 reveals the bike's original bronze green color, and if you look along the bottom edge you'll see the funky blue-green colored primer Raleigh used on these. Spend some time prowling around the Super Course thread and you'll see those colors and more. Not a Grand Prix, though, and not a higher up the line model. As far as I know, during this period the ONLY Raleigh with a 3-tube plain gauge 531 frameset and Nervex Pro lugs was the Super Course.

The funkiness on the dropouts is because that looks like a Huret pattern dropout, which has its shoulder or notch or whatever more like at a 6:00 rather than the standard Campagnolo 9:00-ish location. Should you choose to do so, I always found SunTour V-GT Luxe derailleurs worked just fine in those.

There is something funky about the larger Raleighs, and my perception is that you're more likely to see variance from catalog specs, serial number lists, normal lug patterns, etc., when you get into the 25-inch-ish Super Courses and Gran Sports. With SCs, I've seen Bocama type 14 lugs not used on any other Raleighs to my knowledge, and more likely on early 70s 25-in Super Courses. Early 70s Gran(d) Sport(s) variants typically require a derailleur mounting claw - EXCEPT for a certain number of 25-inch or so examples with Zeus Competition stamped dropouts with an integral mounting eye.

The SunTour shifters are some of my personal favorites. The SunTour power ratchet shifters were later refined to work with smaller click detents, and the later versions are what Grant Peterson had copied into the current Silver shifters. These originals work beautifully, especially if you remember to oil them periodically. I currently have a set shifting Campy Nuovo Record derailleurs on my Allegro, and I will be using another set on my Liberia as I reassemble it.
Wow, wonderful!
I originally just bought it for the cranks because mine are shot on my daily but this guy rides so beautifully I'm starting to question that course of action...
what value am I looking at for the bike total? I'm not that concerned with resale it's just always fun to know.
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I'm lousy at setting dollar values, but on this bike its value as a rider or potential daily rider is probably far greater than its cash number. Were it mine I would replace or modify the brake levers to ditch the turkey wings and fit some Cane Creek hoods, re-wrap the bars , replace the pedals with something taking toe clips, replace the Tourney rear derailleur with a SunTour unit and depending on what sort of hubs you have laced to those alloy rims either replace the wheels themselves or just their solid axles to permit using quick release units. I'd lose the dork disc behind the freewheel, clean and relube all bearings and cables and call it done and ride it.
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That's sort of the vibe I had on it. I mean I got it for $40 so I'm not complaining by any means. I'm trying to stick to a two bike minimum and this was just supposed to be parts. Curse its wonderful ride quality! Haha
I do have a suntour VX rear derailur that sat on my old 5 speed before I converted it to 7.
that may work for me...
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