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Old 09-03-18, 01:18 PM
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Are these worth anything?

I found these two bikes laying in the rain today at a junk pile of bicycles. This is the same pile where I found my old Panasonic over a year ago. Are they anything special or just low end stuff? They both appear to have Prestige tubing and are pretty light. One is missing a seat post. The other one has a seat and a post although it looks like a cheaper seat post that would be on a department store bike. This first bike a Landis bike (which iíve never heard of) has cheap joy tech hubs but aluminum rims





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The second bike has SR hubs. Laser etched on the rear hub is the word Sovos.
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The second bike has SR hubs. Laser etched on the rear hub is the word Sovos.
Both of these are worth a good hard look and likely saving, brazed on cable guides and forged dropouts indicate a reasonable level of quality.
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Might be worth fixing and selling on Craigslist, assuming not much investment is needed.
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I just noticed the takara has a threaded stud in each drop out to fine tune side to side. I have never seen this before except on newer SS drop outs.
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Probably Japanese made bikes from the mid 1980's.

Something special . . .? NO.

Quality mid-level bikes though that should ride well enough to justify cleaning, tuning, riding (or flipping on the Bay or Craig's List).
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Originally Posted by trail_monkey

I just noticed the takara has a threaded stud in each drop out to fine tune side to side. I have never seen this before except on newer SS drop outs.
These are old school forged dropouts with axle adjusters, almost never found on "low end" the other bike has forged dropouts, just without adjusters, both frame worth cleaning up to flip or ride.
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Originally Posted by trail_monkey

I just noticed the takara has a threaded stud in each drop out to fine tune side to side. I have never seen this before except on newer SS drop outs.
Actually quite common on nicer bikes from the 70's and 80's. These are merely threaded posts that create a stopping point for the axle when the wheel is slotted in. This differs from SS "tuggers" that exert a pulling action on the axle to tension the chain.
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I would take them on if I had the parts needed to complete and flip (which I do) and also the time to do so (which I don't).
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman
I would take them on if I had the parts needed to complete and flip (which I do) and also the time to do so (which I don't).
The Takara actually has wheels that spin free, are true and do not have excessive run out, working brakes, working shifters and deraileurs. The brake hoods are trashed but I have a set of levers off of my Panasonic with brand new gum covers on them hanging on my pegboard. This bike basically needs to be cleaned, regreased, new tires and tubes (although the current ones are holding air). The bike is a gem considering the age. I just donít have a seat post and the bolt for the seat post clamp is missing. It takes the same type of seat post clamp bolt that on the other bike but it is a little longer and it bottoms out before it makes contact. Essentially I think I could fix this bike up and make it rideable for less than 100 bucks. The tires and tubes would be the most expensive thing on the baby. Shift cables and housing are cheap. Brake pads are cheap. I might just clean it up and give it to my boy and keep my Panasonic for myself LOL.
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Are they worth anything?

It depends on what your goal is I suppose. If you're looking to flip and make a profit, the answer would likely be no. If that's the case, there is another forum for that.

If you would like to learn how to restore bicycles and have a solidly built good riding machine in the end, then YES, they are definitely worth something.
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The Landis, it turns out, was sold locally out of a bike shop that a friend of mine used to own. The sticker is on the seat tube. I called him and he said they were a lower end bike shop bike that he sold prior to getting into the bigger brands back in the day. He said they were a decent bike but nothing of exceptionally high quality. He said the Takara he thinks was sold by a competitor of his also local. And he said those bikes were more equivalent to his mid range bikes that he was selling later on. In other words it sounds like the Takara is the better bike of the two
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Originally Posted by branko_76
Are they worth anything?

It depends on what your goal is I suppose. If you're looking to flip and make a profit, the answer would likely be no. If that's the case, there is another forum for that.

If you would like to learn how to restore bicycles and have a solidly built good riding machine in the end, then YES, they are definitely worth something.
I already did this with my Panasonic which I found in the same pile. It was in better condition than either of these two and probably higher and bike in its time than either of these two. That bike is now equipped with eight speed brifters and I cold set the rear triangle to 130 and put an eight speed cassette on along with building a new set of wheels myself laced to Shimano hubs. I put different cranks on0, a new stem, and a new set of NItto bars. This bike is now sharp although Iíve got a few hundred dollars in a bike that probably would sell for a couple hundred LOL. I am not going to do that to either of these two bikes I found today.
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Originally Posted by trail_monkey


The Takara actually has wheels that spin free, are true and do not have excessive run out, working brakes, working shifters and deraileurs. The brake hoods are trashed but I have a set of levers off of my Panasonic with brand new gum covers on them hanging on my pegboard. This bike basically needs to be cleaned, regreased, new tires and tubes (although the current ones are holding air). The bike is a gem considering the age. I just don’t have a seat post and the bolt for the seat post clamp is missing. It takes the same type of seat post clamp bolt that on the other bike but it is a little longer and it bottoms out before it makes contact. Essentially I think I could fix this bike up and make it rideable for less than 100 bucks. The tires and tubes would be the most expensive thing on the baby. Shift cables and housing are cheap. Brake pads are cheap. I might just clean it up and give it to my boy and keep my Panasonic for myself LOL.
The Landis is a much nicer bike and the one you should focus your efforts on. Has nice lugs and is a pretty good quality frame. Noting wrong with the Takara either, more name recognition but overall not as nice as the other. Look at the fork crown on the Landis and maybe give us some better pics of it. It's pretty nice and you don't see that level of craftsmanship on this level of bike very often.

Most if not all the parts from the Takara should fit the Landis with minimal work.
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Originally Posted by merziac
The Landis is a much nicer bike and the one you should focus your efforts on. Has nice lugs and is a pretty good quality frame. Noting wrong with the Takara either, more name recognition but overall not as nice as the other. Look at the fork crown on the Landis and maybe give us some better pics of it. It's pretty nice and you don't see that level of craftsmanship on this level of bike very often.

Most if not all the parts from the Takara should fit the Landis with minimal work.

thatís odd. I was told the opposite. But Iím not claiming that my friend knows everything and that was a long time ago. The picture of the white colored fork is from the Landis.
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Originally Posted by trail_monkey





thatís odd. I was told the opposite. But Iím not claiming that my friend knows everything and that was a long time ago. The picture of the white colored fork is from the Landis.
The Takara is standard quality for the era, probably stamped and formed like 1000's of others, the Landis is nicely sculpted smooth and beautiful and likely much higher quailty. Look for seams and rough finish inside and underneath each.
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The Takara is standard quality for the era, probably stamped and formed like 1000's of others, the Landis is nicely sculpted smooth and beautiful and likely much higher quailty. Look for seams and rough finish inside and underneath each.
I was amazed to find the lack of lugs on the front fork of the Landis. I donít know if thatís a bad or good sign. The Landis has a lot more paint scrapes which have surface rust on them and they are pretty considerable. I know I can steel wool the rust away but itís going to srape the crap out of the paint so Iím not sure how to deal with this. Iíve got all the stuff here to turn one of these bikes into an awesome single speed commuter. And Iím thinking this just might be what they deserve. No gears, no derailers, just a ring on the front and a free wheel cog on the back.
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Originally Posted by trail_monkey


I was amazed to find the lack of lugs on the front fork of the Landis. I donít know if thatís a bad or good sign. The Landis has a lot more paint scrapes which have surface rust on them and they are pretty considerable. I know I can steel wool the rust away but itís going to srape the crap out of the paint so Iím not sure how to deal with this. Iíve got all the stuff here to turn one of these bikes into an awesome single speed commuter. And Iím thinking this just might be what they deserve. No gears, no derailers, just a ring on the front and a free wheel cog on the back.
This no lug design is sign of high quality on many bikes, look up early 70's Cinelli Super Corsa's and Raleigh Professional's with this style of fork crown, very elegant and very cool. On those they are Cinelli or Cinelli style "sloping" crown.

I get the ease of turning them into fixed, just don't cut off the derailleur hangers, this kills value for most of us moving forward.
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This no lug design is sign of high quality on many bikes, look up early 70's Cinelli Super Corsa's and Raleigh Professional's with this style of fork crown, very elegant and very cool. On those they are Cinelli or Cinelli style "sloping" crown.

I get the ease of turning them into fixed, just don't cut off the derailleur hangers, this kills value for most of us moving forward.

what can I do about the bad paint scuffs and the surface rust without re-painting the frame? I donít wanna make it worse and scratch the crap out of all the paint that surrounds it but I have to do something about it or the rust will keep spreading.
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what can I do about the bad paint scuffs and the surface rust without re-painting the frame? I donít wanna make it worse and scratch the crap out of all the paint that surrounds it but I have to do something about it or the rust will keep spreading.
You can soak with rags soaked with evap-o-rust or get the gel kind that sticks, then sand or scuff and touch up with spray or brush paint, won't be perfect but if you find a good match for the paint will be ok. Can be tricky to get it good but with practice it can work.
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You can soak with rags soaked with evap-o-rust or get the gel kind that sticks, then sand or scuff and touch up with spray or brush paint, won't be perfect but if you find a good match for the paint will be ok. Can be tricky to get it good but with practice it can work.
I will have to Google that stuff but Iím sure I can find some. Thank you
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I was amazed to find the lack of lugs on the front fork of the Landis. I donít know if thatís a bad or good sign. The Landis has a lot more paint scrapes which have surface rust on them and they are pretty considerable. I know I can steel wool the rust away but itís going to srape the crap out of the paint so Iím not sure how to deal with this. Iíve got all the stuff here to turn one of these bikes into an awesome single speed commuter. And Iím thinking this just might be what they deserve. No gears, no derailers, just a ring on the front and a free wheel cog on the back.
Are you saying these are so crappy they cannot be credible road bikes? If so you should just sell them as they are. Youíll never be happy with them so just cut your losses and get away.
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Are you saying these are so crappy they cannot be credible road bikes? If so you should just sell them as they are. Youíll never be happy with them so just cut your losses and get away.
i am saying theyíre worth doing something with. I wouldnít waste my time with a piece of junk turning it into a single speed urban commuter.
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i am saying theyíre worth doing something with. I wouldnít waste my time with a piece of junk turning it into a single speed urban commuter.
Hmm, OP, I think you may be misunderstanding what the other poster was saying - he knows that these are not pieces of junk. Heís talking about your judgment that these bikes should be turned into single-speeds, and the way you said that.

I could be misunderstanding your misunderstanding , but I had a similarly puzzled reaction to your decision.
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