Han Bike

Hello,

I have a possibility to buy this colnago (I guess end 90’s – begin 00’s). The vender says it’s titanium and what I can find on the internet it looks like a Oval Master. The upper tube is shaped like a diamond. Is this correct? (I put some photo’s to this thread. Wheels are Swiss made Rigida (look like a hourglass). There is no serial number on it (or I couldn’t find it). Derailler is 105 and not that special
So I have some questions:
- What model?
- What year?
- What is the estimated value of the frame (it’s not in a mint (some paint damages))

photos.app.goo.gl/hrUFnwup499S8HbZ9 (add ht tps :// cannot upload photo's and url :-))

Thank you all,

CliffordK

https://photos.app.goo.gl/hrUFnwup499S8HbZ9

KonAaron Snake 

Not what you asked, but my advice is to pass. Ti colnagos were outsourced with a questionable rep, but they sell at an undeserved premium based on perceived value.

CliffordK

Sorry, I don't have any specific details about the model beyond what you have found. It does have "Colnago" features.

It does has the Carbon FLASH fork, with paint that appears to match the frame. Many of the Titaniums of that era got steel forks. Although, the FLASH may have a steel steer tube. The fork is also probably 1" threadless.

Colnago did make a STAR fork with a carbon steer tube about that era, but I can't say if it came with the Titaniums.

I'm guessing Campagnolo 9 speed shifters. Not sure of the model.

Did you say a 105 derailleur? Maybe I was wrong about the shifters.

I don't think the brake calipers match which is odd. The front looks like a newer Shimano caliper which is a good caliper, but just not matching the rest of the bike.

Whew, prices are all over the place.

The frame is probably worth somewhere between $600 and $1200.

$1000 for the complete bike would be a reasonable deal. Probably.

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Look for the serial number on the drive side rear dropout. You'll probably have to remove the wheel. I've got at BiTitan with a 3 digit S/N just below the axle.

dunrobin

It's a colnago titanio oval master. Same geometry as the c40 and c50. It's a really nice riding bike, smooth and stiff enough. Mines built with 6/4 titanium and built as is its 17lbs. If the price is reasonable its a damn fine bike. Early 2000s with a 1inch headset.

Han Bike

Well The seller ask about $700. For the complete bike.

By the way thanks for all the info

mackgoo

I'm thinking his down tube doesn't look the same as above. I might question the pedigree.

CliffordK

I think it is definitely a Colnago. I think Colnago was the only one to use the square top tube on edge.

And of Master derivation due to the shaped TT.

Colnago did make a couple of different Titanium frames, from the BiTitan (which this definately isn't) to the Oval frames.

How round is the Downtube?

The components appear to be mixed a bit, and it may take some work and expense getting it all straightened out (or it may ride fine as is).

Nonetheless, I'd put $700 as a reasonably good deal.

cb400bill

Thread moved to Classic & Vintage Appraisals.

Han Bike

The down tube look a little bit less oversizrd than the your bike. It's for certain round.down tube. I couldn't grind the serial number on the dropouf on the drive side. Removed the wheel maybe it's worn out. Components. Are a ittle bit mixed...
How does a titanium bike drive?
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jet sanchEz

Colnago outsourced the production of their titanium frames to a Russian firm and I think that the quality was okay but nothing great. I have heard that there were issues with cracks developing around the seat stays but I have never seen it in person.


I rode a Colnago ti oval master for a few years and never had any problems but now that I have a titanium Serotta Legend, I look back and see that titanium frames have come a long way in terms of comfort and weight.

Funny story....I was in my lbs with my ti Colnago and the mechanic there owned a ti Norco bike and he brought it out and we compared the frames and they were identical, I guess the Russian firm also sold these frames to other bike companies. Guess which frame cost more, haha.


Edit:. Just now noticed the picture of the Rabobank ti Colnago above, I believe that frame was on the Toronto Craigslist for cheap because it was cracked, did you buy this recently and have it repaired?

Han Bike

Oke thank you for the information I think i will pass for the bike. Does anyobody has info about the wheels?

Han Bike

Still thinking about this bike, does anybody know where the serial could be on this bike?

mackgoo

Is there anything on the bottom bracket?

Ninetimes

The Flash fork is right at about year 2000. One of their better carbon forks. Also the steer tube wasn’t cut down, so that’s a serious plus. As it being Russian produced, is that a bad thing? They still kick out some of the world’s best rocket motors, and the Kalashnikov was a bit of trend setter. Maybe ole man Colnago was smarter than we think.

Han Bike

Thanks guys, I will have the vendor lookong atthe bracket. Certainly the russian have made some good stuff. What should be the maximum? What's it worth?