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Gitane Super Corsa - looks pristine - 600$ though?

Old 11-21-18, 05:00 AM
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Gitane Super Corsa - looks pristine - 600$ though?

Hi all, I'm new here (duh, second post). I've had a vintage-road-bike-sized hole in my heart since my 70's chrome Bottecchia got ripped off when my storage unit was broken into a few months back. I loved that thing dearly. the thing is I had kind of lucked my way into it, and really don't know jack about vintage road bikes. But I know I want another one like it and I'm in love with all these bikes I'm discovering as I browse craigslist and ebay and forums. Lurking here especially and a few other forums has been super helpful for me in double-checking the values of local bikes for sale, learning about history and manufacturers, and getting a better feel for what I want at the end of this. So, having said all that:

I'm too new to post the link, but this seemingly pristine vivid purple Gitane Super Corsa is for sale pretty close to me on craigslist. Perhaps another user can post the link? IDK. Anyway, I'm guessing that since Portland is a hot bike town, that inflates the price of a collectible vintage road bike like this one by at least a little bit? I'm wondering if this asking price is too steep, and what a reasonable counter-offer might be, and on what basis if any? The original wheels were swapped out with Araya 700c clincher rims (no idea if old or new or...) and Specialized Pro tires (sounds okay to me? but again, I'm a noob to this world).

I saw a thread on here from 2015 for a Gitane Tour De France with some cosmetic and wheel issues, and most users seemed to agree that a fair enough price for it in rehabbed shape would be 300-400$. With this Super Corsa (top tier model vs the second tier TDF) being in such pristine shape, is the 600 worth it? All I know is this looks to me like one of the prettiest damn bikes I've ever seen, and I assume it's a hell of a ride, and part of me is saying "go for it!" ...I'm not sure if I want to get talked out of it, or into it, or what; but I think I could use some help and insight from the bike elders here. Care to weigh in?

Thanks for putting up with my very inexperienced self.

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Old 11-21-18, 06:41 AM
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Portland market is one of the hottest, prices are up more than a wee bit. For something this nice, you are not going to see another one. So its either accept the price and negotiate a bit, or cast a wider net.


In the end, it will be a long time before you see another one. So if it is what you want, and fits within your budget, so what if you overpay somewhat? I almost always buy bikes under market, but I have a couple I knowingly overpaid for. It was OK!

I had a lower end Gitane in that same exact color. It was a beauty. I probably would have kept it if it was my size. So I understand the attraction!


As far as counter offers and the basis, sellers have the right to ask what they want for a bike, whether justified or not. Its not the court of law where you can argue the merits and a judge decides who is right. People have the right to ask whatever they want and have NO obligation to justify it. A patient seller in the Portland market for a bike that beautiful will get it.


Bike is comparable to a Peugeot PX-10, without the recognition of a PX10, but more attractive IMHO. And without the crappy plastic derailleurs.


A quick spin through the Portland C/L, all I can say is WOW! Now prices are just asking prices, I don't know if sellers get them. But when I see aluminum frame vintage Treks with so so components for $500, Peugeot A08 for $350, Univega Gran Rally for $500, list could go on and on, this Gitane looks like a bargain!

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Old 11-21-18, 08:31 AM
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The first question is does the bike fit? Are you 6' to 6'6"? Or at least somewhat close?

It is a stunning bike. I'm not a big fan of purple in men's bikes, but that comes together nicely.

Now, that bike has been up on Craigslist for at least a week, meaning it isn't moving quickly.

It is hard to tell if that is original paint or a repaint.

It appears to have had the original derailleur hanger cut off for some reason. It may well have originally had a Simplex derailleur hanger... and you can look up notes on compatibility issues with the simplex derailleur hangers.

There are two bikes/frames listed in the E-Bay sold ads as Gitane Super Corsa.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Git...-/113302787033
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gitane-Supe...-/273450728925

Both of those have unmarked Campagnolo style dropouts. Hopefully someone will verify that the model has used both dropout styles. Bikes are frequently listed as being more than they actually were. And, if repainted, you can't trust any stickers.

Assuming the bike is genuine, the rear derailleur is probably not original, but matches well.

However, I'm not sure that the Campy derailleurs were mounted on Simplex dropouts... so that could well be a reason to question the bike is genuine.

One way to valuate bikes is to look at sold listings on E-Bay, and you're right in there (likely the seller did that too).

The other way is to see if the components add up to the price of the bike.

Frame.. $100
Wheels.. $100
Rear Der.. $70
Front Der.. $30
Shifters.. $30
Cable Guides (Campagnolo?).. $30
Stem and Bars.. $20
Brake & Levers.. $30
Seat & Post.. $75
Bottom Bracket.. $20
Headset.. $20
Crankset.. $70
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Somewhere around $595... or so... more or less. Anyway, even if I'm high on a few things, and one must add in time and labor, you come out close.

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Found more info:

Gitane USA - Super Corsa

So, the bike likely was the Tour de France, and NOT a Super Corsa (based on the original cut off Simplex dropout/derailleur hanger).

Thus, several of the components are also non-original.

Still a nice build.

E-Bay prices seem to be somewhat less for the Tour de France bikes (components?).
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If just interested in a "vintage bike", look at other competing bikes. Here is a Motobecane Grand Jubilee... which isn't selling for the asking price, and is higher than I've seen others listed for.

https://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/d/...753906126.html

There was a recent discussion about a Motobecane Grand Record in Seattle, I think. Battered, but for quite a bit less.
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I missed the chopped off RD hanger. That would really sour me on this otherwise pristine bike.
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Old 11-21-18, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Blompson View Post
...All I know is this looks to me like one of the prettiest damn bikes I've ever seen, and I assume it's a hell of a ride, and part of me is saying "go for it!" ...I'm not sure if I want to get talked out of it, or into it, or what; but I think I could use some help and insight from the bike elders here. Care to weigh in?

Thanks for putting up with my very inexperienced self.
Fellow portlander here!
That bike is a real beauty! I agree with the above posters that if this what your seeking then go for it.
I would also say though that if your willing to pay $600 you could buy nearly any type of vintage bike you want out here. In part because the market is so flooded, like the guy above said a u08 is priced at 350, (which I can say is not uncommon, and no they dont usually get that. Sometimes they do but not often) the nicer bikes may sit for a while. Every seller wants a huge return and when a top of line bike is buried under 3 pages of low end ones all at 500, it idles. Ive seen everything from px10s and schwinn paramount's some with campy bits for this price point.
If this bike is the one that calls to you by all means go for it, but just know that for that many bills you will have a lot of very nice quality bikes to choose from if you give it some time.
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Old 11-21-18, 09:23 AM
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OP,
I say way too high, buying because it is the only one listed right now is not the best logic, Gitane is not a limited brand and as has already been said you can do better...don't be in a rush there will be others.
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
I missed the chopped off RD hanger. That would really sour me on this otherwise pristine bike.
I've seen higher end gitanes without a hanger stock. This one, however, looks like a very sloppy chop job, so I agree.

$600? Larger bike, you can do better for less I think, but the Portland market is higher than most others.

I say this really like French bikes.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Found more info:

Gitane USA - Super Corsa

So, the bike likely was the Tour de France, and NOT a Super Corsa (based on the original cut off Simplex dropout/derailleur hanger).

Thus, several of the components are also non-original.

Still a nice build.

E-Bay prices seem to be somewhat less for the Tour de France bikes (components?).
I agree, looks like an early 70s TdF model, especially if the headset is original.
The TdF steerer tube was shorter than the Super Corsa steerer tube.
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Thanks everybody for the input. I'm thinking that, realistically, I should throw this one back and keep on fishing. I'm not 100% on it, and 600$ will be a rough wad to have dropped for the next few weeks. There's a few Motobecanes in my area as well (a Grand Record in great shape and a more beat up Grand Jubilee which the guy seems to know very little about), and I have the luxury of time on my side.

I suppose I can post those Motobecanes here as well!

Oh and for the record I'm just a smidge under 6'2" and 59-60cm feels good on me.
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Whats with the big loop of cable for the rear derailleur? Makes me nuts seeing that. Nice bike. More like $350 nice though.
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Originally Posted by Poguemahone View Post
I've seen higher end gitanes without a hanger stock. .
...+1. I actually have one (an SC) that I redid. I was puzzled by it at first, but the paint and decals were original from Gitane, and there was no evidence at all that anything had been chopped or ground off the dropout. I will say it makes swapping to a better rear derailleur kind of a no-brainer.
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...with regard to your OP, riding on a high end Gitane from this time period is a completely different feeling for me than a comparable Bottecchia. So you might either be pleased by the different feel, or unhappy with it. I know that my two Bottecchia ownership experiences have felt very different on the road than any French Reynolds tubing bicycle. partly, I think it might be the smaller diameters for the metric Reynolds frame tubing. It's not a "bad" thing, it's just a different road feel when you ride.

And I, too, like French bicycles and have had more than a few of them over the years. If you were really in love with the Bottecchia ride and handling, you'd be far better off shopping for another Italian made bike of the same approximate age and vintage.
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This has been here on and off for quite awhile. I have pondered it a lot. I vote drewed hanger, you can see whats left of the boss in the rd pic if you look close, this is what holds me off, non starter.

That being said, our very own @gugie can fix this no problem with minimal fuss and a stellar outcome.

Still you will be hard pressed to find one this color, size and condition at all.
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
Still you will be hard pressed to find one this color, size and condition at all.
I would be concerned about the modified rear dropout... too bad they did not know with a file and a tap much can be done without resorting to a hack saw if one had to have Campagnolo.
There was a short time where the Super LJ Simplex rear mechs were not yet out... so this was done... too bad.
Great color, from the images, nice condition. If it fit, I would go look at it.
In the current market, I think it is about 15-20% too optimistic in price.
But if you love the color...
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
I would be concerned about the modified rear dropout... too bad they did not know with a file and a tap much can be done without resorting to a hack saw if one had to have Campagnolo.
There was a short time where the Super LJ Simplex rear mechs were not yet out... so this was done... too bad.
Great color, from the images, nice condition. If it fit, I would go look at it.
In the current market, I think it is about 15-20% too optimistic in price.
But if you love the color...
Agreed, like I said, that is what put me off from the outset. I had considered going after this by really making a point of it and offering half the ask, still couldn't get there in my mind so left it alone. Seller is in la la land but sticking to his guns for months now, way in la la land. I do love the color.
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Wow. That's one of the best looking old Gitanes I've seen in quite some time. It looks like it's early 1970's vintage. The paint, finish, & decals are amazing. Most of the time the paint on those old 70's era French Gitanes is completely flaking off. With Campagnolo bits and a Reynolds 531 frame it's definitely worth some serious coin. $600 is probably a reasonable place to start.
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
This has been here on and off for quite awhile. I have pondered it a lot. I vote drewed hanger, you can see whats left of the boss in the rd pic if you look close, this is what holds me off, non starter.

That being said, our very own @gugie can fix this no problem with minimal fuss and a stellar outcome.

Still you will be hard pressed to find one this color, size and condition at all.
As far as the derailleur hanger, it was removed because of compatibility issues between Campagnolo and Simplex hangers.

Technically it would be easy to weld a new one back in its place. However, welding chrome is a problem. @gugie has successfully brazed around a chrome fork crown, but this is different, and I doubt he would do it without stripping the chrome from most of the dropout.

There are apparently ways to modify simplex hangers to work with Campagnolo derailleurs, but unfortunately that wasn't done.

Derailleur Hangers Demystified - Red Clover Components

If It was me, I would have either chosen the thread + notch approach, or leave the hanger alone and add the second hanger.





Unfortunately the chop off solution was chosen without welding a replacement back in place.

Note, Simplex also made dropouts where the right and left looked identical, but one can see the nub of the cut hanger in the one derailleur photo.

Hard to say the value. It is a pretty bike, nicely restored, other than the hanger.
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For Blompson/OP,

I've been riding a Gitane Interclub since 1974 and love the bike and the ride. I really like the other bikes in the stable, including a custom Serotta and Bruce Gordon, but there is something about a Gitane and the history of the company, including Greg LeMond, that makes it special. FWIW, I'm happy to share what I know about the Purple SC and some other candidates in the Portland, Seattle, and Bellingham areas:

The Purple SC:

1. Has been listed multiple times on CL and I recall seeing it for more ($795?) earlier this year. For reference points, I saw another purple SC on CL in SoCal for around $900 as well. On Pinkbike.com, you can also find a really nice red SC that sold for $1200 last year. SCs can be pricey and I doubt you'll find an inexpensive one, especially if it is all Campy and sports a Ideale saddle in good shape.

2. Beautiful color and trim and looks to be in outstanding condition - ready to ride with minimal changes.

3. The seller is attached to it but must sell it because of space, etc. so he may be open to offers.

4. The mix of Simplex and Campy components is a little strange and the hanger work adds to the mystery. I hate to say it but I suspect that this is a juiced up Tour de France. Caveat emptor!

5. Check out the bike, meet the seller, take it for a test ride and let us know the outcome!

Vintage French Road Bikes:

1. Not for the faint of heart, these French bikes are like jealous lovers and require more patience, love and understanding. For some of us, it is worth it but if not, there are great Italian, English, Japanese and even American bikes that are a joy to own and far easier to maintain and find parts for.

2. However, there is nothing like the ride of a Gitane. In addition to riding the 74 Interclub, I built up a 1972 TDF last winter, and bought the earlier referenced red SC on eBay in October. I needed a winter project and it is rare to find a XL frame in a color that I like. The build-up is underway for this all-Campy SC.

3. For any vintage bike you are considering, check out the catalog for the time period that you are considering. That way you can arm yourself with knowledge and question the seller why this was changed or that was done. For Gitanes, go to GitaneUSA.com for catalogues, and other forums, photos, info, etc. to supplement what you learn here at BF.

4. If the SCs seem pricey, there are some nice "single owner" TDFs for sale on CL in Portland, Seattle and Bellingham. You can probably snag a nice TDF for $200 - 400 if you enjoy the hunt. The ride of a TDF may be nearly identical to a SC given that they shared a Reynolds 531 frame. The green TDFs are nice looking but there are some good looking orange, blue and white ones as well. Occasionally, a metallic gold one will appear although they seem to be really unusual.

5. I place a greater value on "single owner" bikes because of the info that the owners are willing to share and if you are really lucky, they'll have additional components and documentation to throw into the mix. I enjoyed learning about the owner of the red SC that I just bought. He was a Princeton/Yale grad, attorney who started his own firm, lifelong sailor and cyclist, etc. He passed away in 2006 and his children were at a loss what to do with the bike, hence it was placed on eBay.

6. Smart move to reach out to others on BF. You won't find a more knowledgeable and experienced group anywhere. I'm constantly floored by the breadth and depth of expertise of these contributors and they can also be pretty funny too.


In summary, give that Purple SC a close look, ask questions, test ride it over a bunch of hills to test the climbing and breaking, and let us know what you learn!

Good luck,

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For Blompson/OP,

I've been riding a Gitane Interclub since 1974 and love the bike and the ride. I really like the other bikes in the stable, including a custom Serotta and Bruce Gordon, but there is something about a Gitane and the history of the company, including Greg LeMond, that makes it special. FWIW, I'm happy to share what I know about the Purple SC and some other candidates in the Portland, Seattle, and Bellingham areas:

The Purple SC:

1. Has been listed multiple times on CL and I recall seeing it for more ($795?) earlier this year. For reference points, I saw another purple SC on CL in SoCal for around $900 as well. On Pinkbike.com, you can also find a really nice red SC that sold for $1200 last year. SCs can be pricey and I doubt you'll find an inexpensive one, especially if it is all Campy and sports a Ideale saddle in good shape.

2. Beautiful color and trim and looks to be in outstanding condition - ready to ride with minimal changes.

3. The seller is attached to it but must sell it because of space, etc. so he may be open to offers.

4. The mix of Simplex and Campy components is a little strange and the hanger work adds to the mystery. I hate to say it but I suspect that this is a juiced up Tour de France. Caveat emptor!

5. Check out the bike, meet the seller, take it for a test ride and let us know the outcome!

Vintage French Road Bikes:

1. Not for the faint of heart, these French bikes are like jealous lovers and require more patience, love and understanding. For some of us, it is worth it but if not, there are great Italian, English, Japanese and even American bikes that are a joy to own and far easier to maintain and find parts for.

2. However, there is nothing like the ride of a Gitane. In addition to riding the 74 Interclub, I built up a 1972 TDF last winter, and bought the earlier referenced red SC on eBay in October. I needed a winter project and it is rare to find a XL frame in a color that I like. The build-up is underway for this all-Campy SC.

3. For any vintage bike you are considering, check out the catalog for the time period that you are considering. That way you can arm yourself with knowledge and question the seller why this was changed or that was done. For Gitanes, go to GitaneUSA.com for catalogues, and other forums, photos, info, etc. to supplement what you learn here at BF.

4. If the SCs seem pricey, there are some nice "single owner" TDFs for sale on CL in Portland, Seattle and Bellingham. You can probably snag a nice TDF for $200 - 400 if you enjoy the hunt. The ride of a TDF may be nearly identical to a SC given that they shared a Reynolds 531 frame. The green TDFs are nice looking but there are some good looking orange, blue and white ones as well. Occasionally, a metallic gold one will appear although they seem to be really unusual.

5. I place a greater value on "single owner" bikes because of the info that the owners are willing to share and if you are really lucky, they'll have additional components and documentation to throw into the mix. I enjoyed learning about the owner of the red SC that I just bought. He was a Princeton/Yale grad, attorney who started his own firm, lifelong sailor and cyclist, etc. He passed away in 2006 and his children were at a loss what to do with the bike, hence it was placed on eBay.

6. Smart move to reach out to others on BF. You won't find a more knowledgeable and experienced group anywhere. I'm constantly floored by the breadth and depth of expertise of these contributors and they can also be pretty funny too.


In summary, give that Purple SC a close look, ask questions, test ride it over a bunch of hills to test the climbing and breaking, and let us know what you learn!

Good luck,

Brian
Good post.

I love purple bicycles (and Kawasaki Triples and BMW e36M3s)
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Old 11-22-18, 03:44 PM
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Loving the information in this thread! Thank you everybody. Unfortunately the ad has been taken down, and I'm not sure if it sold, expired, or if the owner is biding their time for another post later. Sounds like this one's been up multiple times in the past from what a couple users have said, so who knows? Hell maybe someone on here bought it. lol. C'est la vie!
FWIW re: my OP and missing my Bottecchia, I went to check out a Bottecchia last night I saw on OfferUp and I'm pretty sure I scored a kickass deal. New thread to follow shortly.
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I think for $600...you might be able to do better..maybe something newer..atleast thats the potential of '$600' in my eyes. That just looks like a nice olddddd bike.
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