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Old 03-27-19, 01:12 PM
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Peugeot PKN10

I decided to keep the Miyata 710 I recently purchased, so this peugeot has to go. It's a nice bike but too big for me. Any ideas on value would be appreciated. I believe it is a 1980, and stock except for the saddle. Frame is less than perfect. A good amount of small nicks and scratches and very small touches of rust here and there.








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Old 03-28-19, 05:23 AM
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Usually, $200-400 based on location. But, in these pics, it looks like a $150 bike. Those turkey levers make your pkn10 look lower level. You need to pull the seatpost out more and retake 'em. Your chain looks a little too short. I would remove the reflectors and kickstand, too. Direct sunlight like in your photos should also be avoided. Marketing (photography) is everything.
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Old 03-28-19, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
Usually, $200-400 based on location. But, in these pics, it looks like a $150 bike. Those turkey levers make your pkn10 look lower level. You need to pull the seatpost out more and retake 'em. Your chain looks a little too short. I would remove the reflectors and kickstand, too. Direct sunlight like in your photos should also be avoided. Marketing (photography) is everything.
Thanks for the suggestions. Just trying to get an idea on value since there are very few of this model for sale.

These photos are to show the actual condition. Not trying to hide anything. Even when selling, IMO there's nothing worse than going to look at a bike that had all its flaws hidden in "marketing" pics. But maybe that's just me.
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I love Pugs and the white color with orange decals is one of my favorite combos. I think it has definite appeal but as stated above, it has some issues that might prevent it from garnering top dollar. I think a happy medium is in order in that you shouldn't overdo the closeups of negatives nor should you try to whitewash away all defects. Just clean it up best you can and then show it in its BEST light.
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Old 03-28-19, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by TugaDude View Post
I love Pugs and the white color with orange decals is one of my favorite combos. I think it has definite appeal but as stated above, it has some issues that might prevent it from garnering top dollar. I think a happy medium is in order in that you shouldn't overdo the closeups of negatives nor should you try to whitewash away all defects. Just clean it up best you can and then show it in its BEST light.
Agreed, you want to highlight the good points and downplay (but not hide) the flaws.
Personally, when I am considering a bike, its the make/model, condition of the frame and components, and what the components are, that matters. Otherwise a shiny department store bike would always outsell a moderately used PX10.
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I agree with the feedback that you've received.

- Remove kickstand and reflectors
- Remove safety levers. Pop the pins and cut them flush, and cover with Cane Creek replica hoods for a cleaner look.
- Raise seatpost and slide saddle back a bit.
- Polish the paint and touch up the nicks
- Thoroughly clean the drivetrain

Excellent photographs will highlight the beauty and show the bike in its best light. You want top dollar, right? Excellent photos will also reveal the flaws, so there's no deception in that, is there?

The market is so soft now. You'd do well to sell at $250 with excellent marketing and patience.
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Originally Posted by kross57 View Post
Thhese photos are to show the actual condition. Not trying to hide anything. Even when selling, IMO there's nothing worse than going to look at a bike that had all its flaws hidden in "marketing" pics. But maybe that's just me.
I show the complete bike when I sell one. I upload as many photos as are allowed, not just a few. I put a lot of effort into taking the best photos I can, because I want the highest demand looking at them. Great photos (marketing) will raise demand. You can spin it however negatively you want, but I'm trying to rebuild the bike far better than when it was new and use marketing to pull the highest price I can. My prices are the reward I get for putting tons of hours into each of my rebuilds.
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Old 03-28-19, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
I show the complete bike when I sell one. I upload as many photos as are allowed, not just a few. I put a lot of effort into taking the best photos I can, because I want the highest demand looking at them. Great photos (marketing) will raise demand. You can spin it however negatively you want, but I'm trying to rebuild the bike far better than when it was new and use marketing to pull the highest price I can. My prices are the reward I get for putting tons of hours into each of my rebuilds.
Don't get your panties in a bunch. In my view ACCURATE photos sell bikes. However, what makes an accurate photo is probably a matter of opinion. I was really just looking for an appraisal on the values of PKN10Es, not a lesson in photography. It's all good.
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Don't get your panties in a bunch. In my view ACCURATE photos sell bikes.
My "panties are in a bunch" as you put it, because you're conflating everything, and you don't know what you're talking about. Bad photos don't make you more honest, it's simply a sign of laziness or the inability to want to learn. You can take very "accurate" photos and still take great ones that raise demand for your product. Yours do none of that. Taking photos in direct sunlight blind the camera from what you're trying to sell. If you put the bike in the shade of a sunny day, you can open up the aperture and show everything you want to show while removing the crap in the background.

I was really just looking for an appraisal on the values of PKN10Es, not a lesson in photography. It's all good.
I'm telling you it's the same thing. A pkn10 worth $400 will not sell for that with crap photography. Your bike looks like a $150 bike with those photos, that brakeset, and those reflectors. You can't remove the value from your marketing choices. They're the same. That's why people ask the location of your market. "Location, location, location!" That's marketing. It's marketing that dictates price, not the inability to take decent photos nor the random opinions of a what could turn out to be a nice peugeot with a little effort.

If you don't care about any of that, list it for $150 and be done with it. Maybe you'll get $100.

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Gentlemen, we have strayed far from the intent of the original post. Let's all take a deep breath.
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Old 03-28-19, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
My "panties are in a bunch" as you put it, because you're conflating everything, and you don't know what you're talking about. Bad photos don't make you more honest, it's simply a sign of laziness or the inability to want to learn. You can take very "accurate" photos and still take great ones that raise demand for your product. Yours do none of that. Taking photos in direct sunlight blind the camera from what you're trying to sell. If you put the bike in the shade of a sunny day, you can open up the aperture and show everything you want to show while removing the crap in the background.



I'm telling you it's the same thing. A pkn10 worth $400 will not sell for that with crap photography. Your bike looks like a $150 bike with those photos, that brakeset, and those reflectors. You can't remove the value from your marketing choices. They're the same. That's why people ask the location of your market. "Location, location, location!" That's marketing. It's marketing that dictates price, not the inability to take decent photos nor the random opinions of a what could turn out to be a nice peugeot with a little effort.

If you don't care about any of that, list it for $150 and be done with it. Maybe you'll get $100.

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I took a look at one of your bike photos. It's OK, but I think Ansel Adams can rest easy.

It isn't the suggestions I mind. It's the arrogance and self-righteous BS attitude. You need to remember that your opinions are only that - opinions. They aren't necessarily correct. Or even intelligent. You should really follow the old adage "if you don't have anything nice to say..."

Oh, and I was just offered $250 for my $150 bike, WITH the nicks and the kickstand and the safety levers and the reflectors and without wasting the "tons of hours" you do. So, umm..... bite me.
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Originally Posted by kross57 View Post
bite me.

I'll just put you on ignore instead.
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Old 03-29-19, 04:33 AM
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I do appreciate the (mostly) polite advice. Though I may not agree with some of it, it's food for thought.
Can someone explain the attitude on kickstands? When ever I see an older bike with no kickstand, it almost always has scratches on the frame from leaning it against walls, posts and poles or laying on the ground. Bugs me to no end.
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Too much animosity in this thread. This isn't typical of the C&V forum. And it isn't wanted here either.

Bike sold. Thread closed.
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