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Old 03-27-19, 07:35 PM
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Colnago built Celo Europa Super

If I have the story right, then Celo Europa frames were built by Colnago (or at least in his shop) for Marcel Calborn who sold them under his own brand name in Southern California.

Iím unable to determine the year of this frame. The best Iíve come up with so far is a 1984 Celo Europa catalogue which shows the Super. But unlike the frame in question, the catalogue shows the Super as having down tube bottle bosses only, a chromed fork crown, and no pump peg. Itís specs list itís tubuing as Columbus SL.

In 1984, the Super was sold either with a full Record group, or as a frameset. The frameset that year was listed at $359, same as the Colnago Super.

This example has a pump peg, dual bottle cages, AND recessed brakes. Painted crown as well. So initially I was thinking post Ď84, however...

Looking the frame over more closely, the steerer tube is chromed. Also the seat tube bottle bosses donít match those on the downtube. There is a paint run on one of the chainstays. And the top tub decal looks a tad crooked. That decals placement also differes from that shown in the Ď84 catalogue. The catalogue shows the ďSuperĒ name on the chainstay. The chainstay here wears a protective strip which has been painted over. An unlikely move on Colnagoís part.

And here are the only two catalogues I can find. http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/catalogs/Celo_Europa/

The second is for 1985, and itís notable that the Celo Super seems to have not been offered for that year. This reasons then that the frame in question is most likely an Ď84 or earlier, and that itís not 100% original.

Further regarding decals, most photos Iíve seen of Celo Supers show a headtube ďCeloĒ decal, and a seat tube Columbus decal. Iíve not noticed many examples of the fork blade ďCeloĒ decals such as this frame wears.

So it appears that this frame may have been repainted. AND it may have also had a few modifications made to it, such as downtube braze ons, pump peg, and possibly drilled for recessed brakes. Really hard to say without sufficient reference material.

Itís 58cm x 58cm. Rust free, straight, and structurally sound. The paint (original or not) is so so, and the decals present are in decent condition!

Iím planning to sell it as itís way out of my size range

I have no idea where itís price point might be. I would very much appreciate your help in determining this frameís roundabout value.

For that matter, any help in narrowing down its age would be awesome too!

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I talked to @deux jambes yesterday. I didn't have my bike trailer with me, otherwise I might have drug home another frame that I don't need.

There are many things pointing towards that being likely a repaint. '

BLACK?

There are some minor paint runs on the left chainstay, and the person who painted it apparently painted over the right chainstay protector.

We also discussed it likely originally having a chrome fork crown.

The Celo Super decal is also on the top tube, rather than on the chainstay as one might expect.

Nonetheless, it does appear to be a genuine Colnago, having the Colnago dropouts, and generally assembled in the Colnago style.

I'd have expected a different bottom bracket cutout. That looks like it was borrowed from the Colnago Sports of the era.

There are a few paint chips, but not showing an underlying paint color.

However, if the chainstay protector was painted over, perhaps that would be a good place to search for original paint.
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Great frame everything looks correct for a early 80's Colonago built frames. To bad about the not so great home done black spray job looks like they went with some fairly cheap paint. You think if someone is going to repaint a bike this nice they would at least spring for some decent paint a vintage correct color.
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Ah, what a difference a new morning, and a fresh cup of coffee makes... AND good lighting... Blue on black sometimes merges so well it can be hard to see the difference. But I can see now that the stay protector was not cheaply painted over. Still, itís no argument against the likelihood that the frame has been resprayed.



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Anyone?

Iíve since posted the frame for sale, but my asking price is really just a shot in the dark. It could be way too high, or way too low. Maybe itís just so...
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Thanks for correcting me on the chainstay protector. It was dark when we were looking at a black frame.

I think our discussions about value were ballpark.

At $200, it would probably wake me from my slumber.
$300 is probably a good ballpark figure to try for a local sale or BF.
If I was going to try E-Bay (and had time on my side), I'd probably set it at $500 buy-it-now, and just ignore it for a while. See if it piqued someone's interest.

E-Bay auctions for more rare items can be tricky. If they grab people's attention, then bids can go well. Otherwise, the auctions can flounder. If you were to go that way, then set the minimum bid above what you have invested in the item.
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Thanks for your input once again Cliff! @CliffordK Funny, I thought that had you had your trailer in tow a couple nights back, well, you just mightía... lol

Anyhow, I feel that youíre accurate in your appraising. If I had the time, Iíd fish it around eBay a bit and see if I could get a big bite. As it is I really canít afford to sit on it too long, and Iíd much love to see it built up if possible. So asking a lower midrange price here on BF. Weíll see. Iíve also put it up on FB for a little more just to see... Particularly since Iím not sensing any general interest or curiosity from forum members. Iím surprised really.

I mean, the documentation is there! These are basically Colnagos. And that there arenít any active or completed eBay listings tells me itís a rather rare bird.

Still, itís NOT a ďColnago,Ē so it canít demand the same money, even if it sold for the same amount as one when new.

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