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Old 04-03-19, 08:36 AM
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Total trash? Motobecane Mirage

I picked this up for a ridiculously low price, but even then I probably overpaid. Still, to me there is just enough left that I hate to see it in the scrap heap. Am I being foolish? Appears to be a 1977 Mirage. Needs bar tape, a chain, cables, lubrication, and lots of cleaning. Frame is rust-free although many scratches and scrapes. Neat old springer seat. Derailleurs function well, as do the brakes. Rims are true and tires are OK!

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I have an even older Mirage, from 1973. It was in pristine shape so I decided to keep it completely stock, right down to the steel rims. It has a nice ride, very typical of old French low-trail geometry. To be sure the wheels take a little extra effort to get rolling! And there is no way I would ride it in the rain unless I swapped in some aluminum-rim wheels.

Your bike was made after Motobécane changed the geometry to mid-trail, so it may not ride the same as mine. But it should still have a good ride, and the parts (being Japanese) will work well. It would make a fine dry-weather rider if you so choose.
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Total trash? No. Half trash? Yes.

I'll pick them up if they are cheap, often they will have a Swiss threaded BB. Add alloy stem, decent crank. Fresh tires (cheapies, but still usable). Typically they will have a Vx RD, which I like. The RD on this one? No thanks.

High ten steel frame, steel seat post, steel handlebars, steel rims. In a hot market, it could do well. In my market, very little value.

Flip potential in my area? Zero. But I've changed my tune on these when I find them locally. I will buy right and donate to the co op. And occasionally for the decent parts mentioned above, with the rest to the co-op.

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Originally Posted by Aubergine View Post
I have an even older Mirage, from 1973. It was in pristine shape so I decided to keep it completely stock, right down to the steel rims. It has a nice ride, very typical of old French low-trail geometry. To be sure the wheels take a little extra effort to get rolling! And there is no way I would ride it in the rain unless I swapped in some aluminum-rim wheels.

Your bike was made after Motobécane changed the geometry to mid-trail, so it may not ride the same as mine. But it should still have a good ride, and the parts (being Japanese) will work well. It would make a fine dry-weather rider if you so choose.
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Total trash? No. Half trash? Yes.

I'll pick them up if they are cheap, often they will have a Swiss threaded BB. Add alloy stem, decent crank. Fresh tires (cheapies, but still usable). Typically they will have a Vx RD, which I like. The RD on this one? No thanks.

High ten steel frame, steel seat post, steel handlebars, steel rims. In a hot market, it could do well. In my market, very little value.

Flip potential in my area? Zero. But I've changed my tune on these when I find them locally. I will buy right and donate to the co op. And occasionally for the decent parts mentioned above, with the rest to the co-op.
What's the problem with the Allegro RD?
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Originally Posted by kross57 View Post
What's the problem with the Allegro RD?
Its almost all stamped steel, similar to a Suntour 7. Compare it to a Suntour V GT Luxe (stock on the 1977 Mirage) and you will see a lot lighter and a lot nicer finish with mostly cast aluminum parts.

The V GT Luxe is my go to touring derailleur for the friction era.


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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
Its almost all stamped steel, similar to a Suntour 7. Compare it to a Suntour V GT Luxe (stock on the 1977 Mirage) and you will see a lot lighter and a lot nicer finish with mostly cast aluminum parts.

The V GT Luxe is my go to touring derailleur for the friction era.


SunTour V GT Luxe derailleur (1500)
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Keep it, clean and fix it, ride it! It's beautiful as it is. Motobecane was a good French producer. If you treat your bike well, she will treat you well.
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My goal with this was just to get it back on the road and sell it at no real profit. I know that's kinda crazy but I hate to see an old bike end up in the junk pile. Replaced the derailleur with a Simplex I had in the bin, rewrapped the bars, put a better chain on it, touched up the paint, replaced cables and lubed it. If I make $20 on it, that's a lot, but who cares.

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... Replaced the derailleur with a Simplex I had in the bin, rewrapped the bars, put a better chain on it, touched up the paint, replaced cables and lubed it...
Did you check the stem to make certain that it's not above the minimum insertion mark?
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That's exactly the kind of bike I like to pick up cheap & convert to upright handlebars & sell for more. The stem shifters help make it a cheaper conversion than drop tube shifters. It's a nice bike and, probably even worthy of a new set of alloy wheels.
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In NNJ or delivered to a NuYorker in Hoboken at the ferry, $135-$150, all day.
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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz View Post
Did you check the stem to make certain that it's not above the minimum insertion mark?
I did, but I will check it again. Tougher to see with the stem mounted shifters.
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That's exactly the kind of bike I like to pick up cheap & convert to upright handlebars & sell for more. . . . It's a nice bike and, probably even worthy of a new set of alloy wheels.
Oh definitely. I once built up a Nomade frame (same steel as the Mirage) with decent 700c aluminum wheels, and it was a fun rider. I have a couple 27” alu rims that I plan to lace up to some old hubs so I can swap them for the steel wheels in my Mirage.
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Well, those textured steel rims had all kinds of dents and dings, affecting the braking. So I swapped them out for a pair of alloys I had from a fubar Univega. Braking is much improved, and it is now a 12 speed. Actually turned into a decent bike. I did have to lower the stem (good catch Phil Gretz).

At least it is back on the road and not in the scrap heap. There is a definite pleasure in that.



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Nice work, Kross57!
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I fixed up a Super Mirage.
I liked it.

So, safety levers, stem shifters, kick stand,
my kind of bike.
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Fix it up. Ride it every year on Bastille Day. (july 14). Join up with your local Bastille day ride.
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I thought I would give folks the end of the story. Sold this bike last night to a happy young couple from Brooklyn. The guy had a Moto, and the girl wanted one to match. Frame was a perfect fit. So, it's out there rolling around again. Nice!
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I thought I would give folks the end of the story. Sold this bike last night to a happy young couple from Brooklyn. The guy had a Moto, and the girl wanted one to match. Frame was a perfect fit. So, it's out there rolling around again. Nice!
Success!! That is good to hear.
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