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Minty 1972 P-13 Chrome Paramount

Old 04-04-19, 05:03 AM
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Minty 1972 P-13 Chrome Paramount







I’ve got an electric bike coming soon, so it is time to sell one of my Paramounts. There were a couple threads on the forum about this bike, so I’ll not repeat the history other than to say I’m the second owner and it is one of the P2 stamped bikes. This one would be part of the permanent collection but the frame is 24 inches and a bit too small for me. I’d love to sell this to someone on the forum, but I’m unsure of a fair price.

I had offered just the frame and fork before as I found a 25 inch frame, but I was able to slowly find all the bits I needed for the bigger frame so this chrome bike could stay original and intact.

This bike is complete down to the original tool kit. Also, since the photos were taken, I found NOS wheels, properly date coded, that have not had tires glued on before that will be the ones to go with the bike if the buyer prefers them over the ones in the photos.

Can you help me with what a fair price would be? I’m asking for input on a “friends and family” Bike Forum price, not an eBay rest of the world price. Thanks very much. Jeff

Here is a link to my SmugMug account with 60+ photos.

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Old 04-04-19, 05:31 AM
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First, wow, thatís gorgeous. Not a Paramount fan per se but I would be after that if I was looking to add given the condition.

As as far as price, I would say $1600-1700ish would be a friendly deal. On an open market, who knows where this would go. Would imagine over $2k given I doubt thereís many in better shape left. I could be completely off as I donít follow the pricing of Paramounts all that closely.
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As someone who was in the market for a chrome Paramount for the last year and a half, sold prices on Ebay were generly in the $1100- 1500 range. There was a painted 72 sold for $1900 not to long ago. I won a pair of Chrome ones 67,68 20",21" for $1500. My thoughts on a bike fourms price $1200- 1500. Ebay price might go to $2000 +, if two colectors have to have it. Good luck with you sale
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Stunning! 2K+ easy.
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OP,
I really like the looks of the bike and from my experience CL will not yield anywhere close to the numbers mentioned, a look at eBay lists high numbers for Chrome P'S but keep in mind that that market is global and once those that are in the market have made their purchases that will cause a bit of a cool down etc.
The bike is a bit on the large size a plus for some but if a bit smaller would be in the sweet spot..so you might need to wait for a while for the right buyer.
Keep in mind it's a PITA to break a bike down and ship...CL 1000 max eBay a pain in the A.
Good luck with the sale, beautiful bike..why not keep it?
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Originally Posted by xiaoman1 View Post
a look at eBay lists high numbers for Chrome P'S but keep in mind that that market is global and once those that are in the market have made their purchases that will cause a bit of a cool down etc.
I would imagine markets wax and wane a bit with seasons and as you say as "collectors" get their fills. Or, as old geezers pass on and their estates are liquidated.

But, there also will be no more of those Schwinns made (unless they come up with a repro like was done with the Krate bikes).

Even so, they could well modernize a repro such as using a 1 1/8" fork.

Of course, there may also be "fakes" too. Perhaps taking battered bikes and getting them chromed.

So, the bottom of the market may not fall out quickly.

There are a number of lesser known Italian manufactures that SHOULD have very expensive bikes, but I think they get forgotten due to a lack of name recognition.

Schwinn may remain known for many years, although, they seem to be completely ignoring the racing market at this time. Of course, that could change through acquisition or change of management.
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I would imagine markets wax and wane a bit with seasons and as you say as "collectors" get their fills. Or, as old geezers pass on and their estates are liquidated.

But, there also will be no more of those Schwinns made (unless they come up with a repro like was done with the Krate bikes).

Even so, they could well modernize a repro such as using a 1 1/8" fork.

Of course, there may also be "fakes" too. Perhaps taking battered bikes and getting them chromed.

So, the bottom of the market may not fall out quickly.

There are a number of lesser known Italian manufactures that SHOULD have very expensive bikes, but I think they get forgotten due to a lack of name recognition.

Schwinn may remain known for many years, although, they seem to be completely ignoring the racing market at this time. Of course, that could change through acquisition or change of management.
I agree, the bottom won't fall out quickly but in my opinion, it is not as hot as it once was and as mentioned the collectors buy high and drive up the prices the community of CVr's will need to fill the gap...an without others jumping in and wanting a piece of Americana 1500 to 2000 may be a bit optimistic now...I see a number of "Italians" languish on CL often to be deleted by the seller. The future will tell us if there is/will be a market for our "old" bikes.
The car collecting market has already seen shifts from 40 fords to tri-5's now to mustangs/camaros with each subsequent generation losing interest in the previous generations most coveted marque.... high-end bikes like some cars may be different, it just may take a little time for appreciation.
I hope I am wrong and the OP gets the 2000 he was quoted.
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Thanks. Very helpful and interesting information. It might be fun to do a thorough ad on eBay just to see where it might land. I’d rather sell it at a discount here, though, just to keep it in the family, so to speak.

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That really is stunning. If it were a 23" frame I could be in serious trouble.
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Originally Posted by Kactus View Post
That really is stunning. If it were a 23" frame I could be in serious trouble.
Thanks Kactus. Sorry it wonít fit!

I just posted my bike in the For Sale section, so hopefully someone who rides a 24 inch frame will spot it.
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Thanks Kactus. Sorry it wonít fit!

I just posted my bike in the For Sale section, so hopefully someone who rides a 24 inch frame will spot it.
Considering the originality and condition, I think that's a fair price. Good luck with the sale and congratulations to the future owner.
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No bites on my Bike Forum ad, so I put together an eBay ad to see where it might go. Thanks for your input so far, and this may answer the question on value.

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Just a thought but I think if you turned the bars down a bit and added some new red bar tape it would up the curb first pic appeal of this bike. Details can make a big difference when selling a bike this nice. I would say $1500 on value just a really great looking bike.

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Just a thought but I think if you turned the bars down a bit and added some new red bar tape it would up the curb first pic appeal of this bike. Details can make a big difference when selling a bike this nice. I would say $1500 on value just a really great looking bike.
Great suggestion: red bar tape would really pick-up the red lettering on the down tube.
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Wow, had to get out the sunglasses to look at those pics. Great looking bike.
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Beautiful build. Don't change a thing.

$2k.
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List it in the big buck communities nearby, Charlottesville and DC.
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Sold! Thanks
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That was quick. Someone here or local to your location?
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That was quick. Someone here or local to your location?
Happily it is going to someone who saw it here on the forum. Being shipped next week, itís retiring to Florida
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