Is this a Colnago?
04-13-19, 09:34 AM
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Is this a Colnago?
I hope the Colnago experts on this forum can shed some light on this. A friend of mine has this in his cellar. For the time being I only have these pictures, I can try to go there and take more pictures later. Any chance this is a real Colnago? The tubing sticker says Oria Special. I don't see any clover leafs, nor any of the other distinctive Colnago marks (weird tube profiles, pantographing, etc.). Looks like a mid-level early 1990s roadbike, very siimilar to a Mistral I have. Components are certainly not original. Did Colnago make bikes like this? If it's a Colnago, what would it be worth?
04-13-19, 09:57 AM
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I don't think it is but I am no expert. Where is this? If it really is Oria and a 59 I'd give him $150ish
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04-13-19, 10:00 AM
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The bike has been repainted. Note the sear post binder bolt, which was not removed when the frame was painted.
I would not even trust the tubing sticker.
I would not even trust the tubing sticker.
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04-13-19, 10:05 AM
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Thanks. I also noticed the paint on the binder bolt when I looked at the picture again just now. Must be a repaint, so yes, should ignore the stickers.
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The seatstay tubing decal looks very much off.
As @Aubergine mentioned, it does look repainted.
As @bargainguy mentioned, wrong lug cutouts.
There is a "Sport" model that does have heart shaped cutouts, I think but with different details than that bike.
Overall, it does look like a fairly decent frame, and would make a good project if you could identify it.
I'd go slightly higher than @Bianchigirll on the value, but "Fakes" make me upset, and I'd ding off quite a bit for improper decals.
As @Aubergine mentioned, it does look repainted.
As @bargainguy mentioned, wrong lug cutouts.
There is a "Sport" model that does have heart shaped cutouts, I think but with different details than that bike.
Overall, it does look like a fairly decent frame, and would make a good project if you could identify it.
I'd go slightly higher than @Bianchigirll on the value, but "Fakes" make me upset, and I'd ding off quite a bit for improper decals.
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Agree it's a "NOGO"
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04-13-19, 12:59 PM
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Thanks everyone. Conclusion is that while the bike may be worth 150 to 200 dollars after cleaning and maintenance, it's definitely not a Colnago. If I will be working on this bike, I'll make sure to remove the decals, I don't like fakes either.
04-13-19, 03:12 PM
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More pics and details might bear light on what it is or might be.
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Others but still loved,; '80 RIGI, '80 Batavus Professional, '87 Cornelo, '09 Motobecane SOLD, '?? Jane Doe (still on the drawing board), '90ish Haro Escape
04-16-19, 04:34 PM
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A guess after a rough inspection says it's Columbus SL. Biconical seat stays and ROR chainstays in the Columbus style. If that's right, it's a decent frame, but not a Colnago
04-16-19, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by unterhausen
A guess after a rough inspection says it's Columbus SL. Biconical seat stays and ROR chainstays in the Columbus style. If that's right, it's a decent frame, but not a Colnago
04-27-19, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
More pics and details might bear light on what it is or might be.
04-27-19, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by nomadmax
It could be a "Movie Masi"
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Originally Posted by Dr.Lou
Definitely not a Nag. A Colnago would also have “Colnago” and club stamped on the bottom of the bottom bracket.
05-03-19, 07:47 PM
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I would have thought the fork and seat stays would have identified this frame. But that was the era of bikes that I totally ignored back then
05-04-19, 08:24 AM
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Funny thing is the lugwork at the head-tube is not terrible. The seat stay globs/front end lugs bring an image of some manufacturer's lower level bike set, but it is slipping my mind.
05-05-19, 11:54 AM
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? Frame, Colnago ?
[QUOTE=lubloi;20883230]Thanks everyone. Conclusion is that while the bike may be worth 150 to 200 dollars after cleaning and maintenance, it's definitely not a Colnago. If I will be working on this bike, I'll make sure to remove the decals, I don't like fakes either
A couple quick notes since my ling ling got wiped out by this site, sorry can't waste that time again.
1) It's only truly a fake if you know it and try to continue to pass it off as something other than it is. Ignorance of such precludes you (or should) from persecution. I know, I sport at least 2 "fakes" (as sold to me) and have to inform those not in the know of the truth.
2) What are the threads for the BB? What is the width of the BB? Italian: 36x24F, 70mm
3) What is the "true" seat tube ID? BEWARE of false measurements! SL 27.2, SP 27.0
4) What make/type of dropouts?
5)NOT ALL Colnagos have the "clubs" cut-out and/or "COLNAGO" stamp in the BB. I wouldn't worry on that since the frame is not old enough (pre-early 70's).
A couple quick notes since my ling ling got wiped out by this site, sorry can't waste that time again.
1) It's only truly a fake if you know it and try to continue to pass it off as something other than it is. Ignorance of such precludes you (or should) from persecution. I know, I sport at least 2 "fakes" (as sold to me) and have to inform those not in the know of the truth.
2) What are the threads for the BB? What is the width of the BB? Italian: 36x24F, 70mm
3) What is the "true" seat tube ID? BEWARE of false measurements! SL 27.2, SP 27.0
4) What make/type of dropouts?
5)NOT ALL Colnagos have the "clubs" cut-out and/or "COLNAGO" stamp in the BB. I wouldn't worry on that since the frame is not old enough (pre-early 70's).
05-05-19, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc
Funny thing is the lugwork at the head-tube is not terrible. The seat stay globs/front end lugs bring an image of some manufacturer's lower level bike set, but it is slipping my mind.
