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Raleigh Competition F&F . . . Drewed 😖

This frame popped up, and man... I'm tempted. I have a pretty sweet herd of cool bikes from the 80's but I've hankered for something older. Something with some bling factor.
Well this hits it with those Capella lugs! Reynolds 531 tube set, and I think this has pretty long chainstays's despite being a race bike. More like an International.

But the hanger's been castrated. Seems like that should knock that asking price down. What say you all? (Asking 180.00)

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I would think $180 a bit steep being drewed, but don,t let that stop ya, if ya gotta have it then.....
@gugie fixes these in his sleep, shouldn't be that big of a deal.
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Those Huret dropouts with their unique dropout ear configuration are problematic to fit other derailleurs onto without special, rare adapters. Think of the drewing as a blessing in disguise which will allow you to braze a Campy ear to the dropout and then easily match the black paint. Grab it!
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It's calling out for a sporty IGH build.

That said, I think $180 would be an OK price if it wasn't hacked up... As is? $100? $120 if you really need it.
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I've had a couple of those become a unicorn Hurex dropout.



The downside is shipping back and forth. If you can find someone local to do it...

Unless you want the full Gugificazione, with inspiration from Weigle:

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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
I've had a couple of those become a unicorn Hurex dropout.



The downside is shipping back and forth. If you can find someone local to do it...

Unless you want the full Gugificazione, with inspiration from Weigle:

YES! Those rando conversions are what I'm thinking about! Chances of owning a 50's constructor are probably slim, but this could be doable.
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I saw that frame on Craigslist last year listed at... $230 or so? The frame's been sitting for a while, so you might be able to talk the seller down some.
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Gugie, that bike just looks "right". Very cool indeed.

The ad says it comes with a Dura Ace crank that "needs polishing". Does that sweeten the deal, or would you even want it? Maybe offer $150.00 without the cranks and considering the issue with the derailer hanger.
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Well seeing Gugies brazed Hurex hanger, I'm going to "go look at it" and I think we all know what that is code for.

Some more digging has turned up that the hanger is unthreaded and the stop is in the wrong place for anything other than the Jubilee derailleur, so even intact it would need attention. I'll let you guys know how it turns out

Thanks for enabling, and watch the "for sale" thread. I'm going to need to make some room!
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Originally Posted by samkl View Post
I saw that frame on Craigslist last year listed at... $230 or so? The frame's been sitting for a while, so you might be able to talk the seller down some.
I remember seeing it last year too, couldnt remember the price though, but that sounds right. I bet he's got a little wiggle room.
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Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly View Post
Well seeing Gugies brazed Hurex hanger, I'm going to "go look at it" and I think we all know what that is code for.
Great things can come from that approach. This is the result of a gugirepairazione of a drewed frame.





$180 definitely seems like too much though.
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Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly View Post
YES! Those rando conversions are what I'm thinking about! Chances of owning a 50's constructor are probably slim, but this could be doable.
That particular model of Competition lends itself to rando conversion nicely.
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If someone else has plans for a gugificazione the frame and fork from this 1973 gran sport will be available soon
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Those are not that hard to find. Nice bikes, had one and used it a lot over 25 years or so. As complete bike in excellent condition worth maybe $250. As damaged bare frame you are doing seller a favor by taking it. Add cost of repairs to whatever you give seller. Only reason to buy this one would be you have to have a project now now now.

It's a Raleigh, it will be a 23-1/2" frame, not a 24" as stated in ad. While Carlton is a legend and all that be aware that 1973 was an absolute nadir for consistency from Raleigh. Some '73 frames will be as good as you could expect from a production line, others are going to have serious problems. Seller sounds like nothing but a problem on this one.
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What is this thing in the dropout and where can I get one or 5?

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Those are not that hard to find. Nice bikes, had one and used it a lot over 25 years or so. As complete bike in excellent condition worth maybe $250. As damaged bare frame you are doing seller a favor by taking it. Add cost of repairs to whatever you give seller. Only reason to buy this one would be you have to have a project now now now.

It's a Raleigh, it will be a 23-1/2" frame, not a 24" as stated in ad. While Carlton is a legend and all that be aware that 1973 was an absolute nadir for consistency from Raleigh. Some '73 frames will be as good as you could expect from a production line, others are going to have serious problems. Seller sounds like nothing but a problem on this one.
Thank you for the reality! I'm on a tippy fence with this. My thoughts were:

1) I thought it looked like a 24.5" frame, Raleigh measured center to top, so CtC would come out at 24" ?

2) I though that the poor QC coming from Raleigh during the boom era might have not effected the workshop bikes. But looking around it does seem hit or miss.

3) The seller wants to get what he can from the frame but he has indicated that he's negotiable. He'll also drive it most of the way to me. In communication he's been great to deal with.

All that aside what I'm looking for is one of these nice older frames with tons of wheel clearence, butted tubes, and pretty lugs.

My collection is all Trek Miyata and Cannondale which are beautiful in a form follows function manner, but I'd love an older Euro bike with some panache, and something in the Rando or touring catagory.

But man I have PLENTY of projects.
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Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly View Post
Thank you for the reality! I'm on a tippy fence with this. My thoughts were:

1) I thought it looked like a 24.5" frame, Raleigh measured center to top, so CtC would come out at 24" ?

2) I though that the poor QC coming from Raleigh during the boom era might have not effected the workshop bikes. But looking around it does seem hit or miss.

3) The seller wants to get what he can from the frame but he has indicated that he's negotiable. He'll also drive it most of the way to me. In communication he's been great to deal with.

All that aside what I'm looking for is one of these nice older frames with tons of wheel clearence, butted tubes, and pretty lugs.

My collection is all Trek Miyata and Cannondale which are beautiful in a form follows function manner, but I'd love an older Euro bike with some panache, and something in the Rando or touring catagory.

But man I have PLENTY of projects.
It's a Raleigh so 23-1/2. Or 24-1/2. Did they make a 24-1/2 that frame that year? Not sure off top of my head.

Basic rule of collecting is always begin with best possible example of what you are looking for. With Competitions there are plenty to choose from. Not rare bikes.

Back in '73 I sold a Frenchman visiting Chicago a Raleigh International on a Tuesday. He raced it Sunday. He looked great going against Stetinas, Young, Doughty, Howard, the guys. About 5 laps in he comes coasting in to start/finish and pulls right up to me and stops. His downtube has popped out of bottom bracket. No brass whatsoever. I was lucky. The Raleigh rep was there, Jimmy Walthour, just feet away. This was the Elk Grove Village Crit and the Raleigh warehouse is 5 miles down the road. And Jimmy has keys. And while Jimmy did not have French he had racer pidgin and with his level of racing history Frenchy figured out better than most of us ever did that it was an honor to even be talking to Jimmy. They got along and it was taken care of, store never heard anything further.

Now if you pull a downtube out of a 45 year old Raleigh you are not getting that level of service. Any old bike you buy it's always a crapshoot. But old Raleighs..... If for some reason I badly wanted that frame maybe $50.

My '69 Competition was a wonderful ride. Understand why they remain popular.
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It's a Raleigh so 23-1/2. Or 24-1/2. Did they make a 24-1/2 that frame that year? Not sure off top of my head.

Basic rule of collecting is always begin with best possible example of what you are looking for. With Competitions there are plenty to choose from. Not rare bikes.

Back in '73 I sold a Frenchman visiting Chicago a Raleigh International on a Tuesday. He raced it Sunday. He looked great going against Stetinas, Young, Doughty, Howard, the guys. About 5 laps in he comes coasting in to start/finish and pulls right up to me and stops. His downtube has popped out of bottom bracket. No brass whatsoever. I was lucky. The Raleigh rep was there, Jimmy Walthour, just feet away. This was the Elk Grove Village Crit and the Raleigh warehouse is 5 miles down the road. And Jimmy has keys. And while Jimmy did not have French he had racer pidgin and with his level of racing history Frenchy figured out better than most of us ever did that it was an honor to even be talking to Jimmy. They got along and it was taken care of, store never heard anything further.

Now if you pull a downtube out of a 45 year old Raleigh you are not getting that level of service. Any old bike you buy it's always a crapshoot. But old Raleighs..... If for some reason I badly wanted that frame maybe $50.

My '69 Competition was a wonderful ride. Understand why they remain popular.


They did come in 24.5" but yeah, it's a lot for a cutframe. The draw comes from seeing the possibility that the bike represents, and I'm 3 hours from The Yellow Jersey, and I have the time that I could drive it out and get it repaired there. I'm a sucker for wanting to "rescue" a bike. I can see how quickly it could turn into "needs to have braze flowed into all the lugs" which then means a repaint...

Ok, I talked myself out of it. It's just not worth it when I have 531 touring Treks that need some love, and I already have in hand. If my lineup were done, and I'd sold the bikes that need to go, it would be a fun project, but I need to concentrate what's on hand.

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