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Old 07-25-19, 01:29 PM
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1977, Colnago

any guesses on value?
the Italian flag group is matching set even brake levers.


Race rims? But older for bike year








Training rims
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Beautiful Colnago. I'm not really up on current Colnago prices but I would guess $1200 +/-. I'm sure the Colnago fans will be able to give you a better idea.
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It sure is beauti

How long have you had this bike? I presume this bike has been restored, (aside from the wheels).

It has many nice pantographed pieces, but I feel they might not all be from the same model group[By this I meant panto group. Individual creative variations occurred as well as broader changes that took place (such as with chain rings), which can lead to inconsistent mash-ups when pantographed parts bought separately are put on a particular frame.] To the cognoscenti, the degree to which the bicycle is unchanged from the day it left the factory, may strongly influence the price. I certainly could be mistaken, it's been a few years since I focused on the panto timelines.

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Originally Posted by Kactus View Post
Beautiful Colnago. I'm not really up on current Colnago prices but I would guess $1200 +/-. I'm sure the Colnago fans will be able to give you a better idea.
thatís a little low
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Originally Posted by Last ride 76 View Post
It sure is beautiful.

How long have you had this bike? I presume this bike has been restored, (aside from the wheels).

It has many nice pantographed pieces, but I feel they might not all be from the same model group. To the cognoscenti the degree to which the bicycle is unchanged from the day it left the factory, affects the price. I certainly could be mistaken, it's been a few years since I focused on the panto timelines.
Yes the black Fiame label are NOS, the yellow label are much lighter but probably belong on late 60s early 70s bike.
the Panto parts are a match according to my research correct if wrong, and I think late 70s.
bike has been totally restored, I did it maybe 3 years ago stickers are proper also and all new.
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Originally Posted by Cwurfel View Post
that’s a little low
are you looking for a valuation, or some kind of confirmation of a dream price you have in your head?
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Originally Posted by hazetguy View Post
are you looking for a valuation, or some kind of confirmation of a dream price you have in your head?
I have a similar model and would have a hard time selling it even for 2K+.
Did a nice 50m ride today and was glad I chose it over my carbon options.
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Originally Posted by joesch View Post
I have a similar model and would have a hard time selling it even for 2K+.
Did a nice 50m ride today and was glad I chose it over my carbon options.
Please send pics
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Here is one in a shop in Germany
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Iím not sure you guys are appreciative of how difficult it is to find the complete pantograph set, I donít care what itís worth actually itís not for sale, it cost more to do than what itís worth anyway.
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Here is one in a shop in Germany
Asking prices do not equate to selling prices. You clearly had a figure in mind when you started this thread.
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Are you at steel-vintage?
Yes Steel Vintage
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Originally Posted by nesteel View Post
Asking prices do not equate to selling prices. You clearly had a figure in mind when you started this thread.
No, I donít care itís peanuts itís not for sale I made it for the beauty of a lost art and tradition, and for my sons to have.
ill die with it
im building a 1955 Chev 1/2 ton $$$$$ bikes are not expensive
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It's a nice looking bike, and I'm sure it rides well (do you ride it?). You should start a build thread on it. Would love to see more detailed pics of it too.

I do agree, as previously mentioned, that some items don't look period "correct" and "matched", but since you built it as you wanted, to keep, does that really matter? It would really only matter if you wanted to sell it (and then you'd get the barrage of "it's worth more parted out").

What's the story with the stem? I have yet to find a picture or example of another with the front logo having the black circle and club logo. The others I've seen all have a C with the club logo between the tips of the C.

The "German Shop" price is extreme. Reasonably comparable ones sell on eBay for considerably less. Locally to me, if that were for sale at $2K it would never sell. It would have to be listed on a more global marketplace to get anywhere near that price.

Originally Posted by Cwurfel View Post
Iím not sure you guys are appreciative of how difficult it is to find the complete pantograph set,
Realistically, if I wanted to doll-up my Colnago, which I would if cost were not an issue, I could spend 10 minutes on ebay and have every single one of those panto parts (aside from the "odd" logo'd stem), and even more panto'd items at my doorstep in a week or two. I were going to do that, I'd also go full-on and buy some "flag" panto brakes.

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Originally Posted by Cwurfel View Post

im building a 1955 Chev 1/2 ton $$$$$ bikes are not expensive
Yes - its all a matter of perspective.

My '71 Big Block Cheyenne is a bottomless pit that green paper falls into constantly. At least when the bike is done , it doesnt keep asking for more -- LOL
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Shop prices are meaningless. First, its still at the shop, so it's certainly has NOT sold for that price. Secondly, shops tend to get a premium over private sellers. I have consigned some of my bikes, because the shop can mark it up 50%, I give them 25% and I am still ahead.

I've never, ever considered shop prices to apply to private party sales.

+10 Locally here it would not bring $2K. I've bought a couple of nice Colnagos here at low prices. Now that John is in town, I have competition....
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Here is one in a shop in Germany
Does the shop have a website? Hope they dont ship to US as I may have another museum piece
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The price deltas between shops and online sales is based on many legitimate factors required for running a physical not web based business.
For buyers that need shop support, the LBS is worth the price delta.
I also feel like a desirable item in New Old Stock (NOS) condition can be valued and priced much higher than close to mint condition bikes.
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The price deltas between shops and online sales is based on many legitimate factors required for running a physical not web based business.
For buyers that need shop support, the LBS is worth the price delta.
I also feel like a desirable item in New Old Stock (NOS) condition can be valued and priced much higher than close to mint condition bikes.
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Super at Carmel Mission

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Please send pics


Visit to Mission at Carmel BTS.
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Has it been repainted?
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Does the shop have a website? Hope they dont ship to US as I may have another museum piece
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Originally Posted by Cwurfel View Post
I’m not sure you guys are appreciative of how difficult it is to find the complete pantograph set,
Really? How do you account for the fact that I (politely, I might add) suggested that the value might not be as high as you expected, because the panto stuff was not of a matching group? I complemented you on the appearance, collectors valuations are not based solely on beauty...


I don’t care what it’s worth actually it’s not for sale,
Well then, great. It is a beautiful bike, and should ride well.



it cost more to do than what it’s worth anyway.
On a purely financial basis, at present, that may or may not be true.
I (and I am willing to bet a few other BF members also) have spent more to build or restore more than one bike, in order to have the bike I wanted.
I hope that you find way more value in the other factors you cited, and have a great time with it.


This is one of only two known, and photo documented Colnago "Mexico" frames with Campagnolo 1010 dropouts, FWIW.


Detail: NOS Colnago/Clement Criterium Seta tires, as well as the Ernesto Colnago pantograph on the hub barrels. The Ambrosio rims are labelled "Corse Colnago". The wheels are original and an a matched pair and the frame and fork bear the proper coresponding shop stamps.

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Originally Posted by hazetguy View Post
It's a nice looking bike, and I'm sure it rides well (do you ride it?). You should start a build thread on it. Would love to see more detailed pics of it too.

I do agree, as previously mentioned, that some items don't look period "correct" and "matched", but since you built it as you wanted, to keep, does that really matter? It would really only matter if you wanted to sell it (and then you'd get the barrage of "it's worth more parted out").

What's the story with the stem? I have yet to find a picture or example of another with the front logo having the black circle and club logo. The others I've seen all have a C with the club logo between the tips of the C.

The "German Shop" price is extreme. Reasonably comparable ones sell on eBay for considerably less. Locally to me, if that were for sale at $2K it would never sell. It would have to be listed on a more global marketplace to get anywhere near that price.



Realistically, if I wanted to doll-up my Colnago, which I would if cost were not an issue, I could spend 10 minutes on ebay and have every single one of those panto parts (aside from the "odd" logo'd stem), and even more panto'd items at my doorstep in a week or two. I were going to do that, I'd also go full-on and buy some "flag" panto brakes.

77
I never liked the 3 bar pantos as much as the earlier versions. 74 was my favorite with the club inside the "C"
and the 4 card suits, on all 4 levers and the seatpost.
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