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Sweet Pug! "PY10 S" Not sure if it's price too high...

Old 04-14-20, 07:22 PM
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Sweet Pug! "PY10 S" Not sure if it's price too high...

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/h...102516727.html

Nice condition, chromed stays, 531 and Simplex that looks an awful lot like Campy super Record. I'd love to learn more about this frog. Lots of good buys out there now!

What cranks are those? lightened with drill holes is it Stronglight? Is Stronglight French?

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Old 04-14-20, 07:33 PM
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The crank is a early 80's Spidel 106 with upgraded drilled mavic chainrings.

VeloBase.com - Component: Spidel 106

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Originally Posted by zukahn1 View Post
The crank is a early 80's Spidel 106 with upgraded drilled mavic chainrings.

VeloBase.com - Component: Spidel 106
Im surprised that campagnolo never sued these copycats. The resemblance is uncanny!
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This price is decent. I live near enough to Minneapolis. I'd tempted to break my New Year's Resolution and buy it if the OP weren't interested in buying it. Heck that would only be the 3d time I've broken it this year. This is a special bike. The brake levers don't look right.

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I guess it's a Spidel group set, not Simplex.

​​​​​I consider myself to be quite versed in bicycle knowledge. I am interested in rare components. Of course I'm aware of Shimano suntour, campy, sugino, simplex, Phil wood...

I know a company named Zeus made components that looked like campy and they seem to be quite rare. I have never heard of Spidel components.

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Originally Posted by jmlandry77 View Post
I guess it's a Spidel group set, not Simplex.

​​​​​I consider myself to be quite versed in bicycle knowledge. I am interested in rare components. Of course I'm aware of Shimano suntour, campy, sugino, simplex, Phil wood...

I I know a company named Zeus made components that looked like campy and they seem to be quite rare. I have never heard of Spidel components.
The short history of Spidel, the French bike parts company

Spidel is rebranded mafac, stronglight, simplex, and maillard. Absolutely top of the line French stuff and very desireable I think. The brake levers look to be Gipiemme with dia compe brake hoods. Gipiemme sold a lot of rebranded French stuff but those brake levers aren't right on that bike.

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Old 04-14-20, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
This price is decent. I live near enough to Minneapolis. I'd tempted to break my New Year's Resolution and buy it if the OP weren't interested in buying it. Heck that would only be the 3d time I've broken it this year. This is a special bike. The brake levers don't look right.
Yes, my friend I am tempted too.

Then I asked myself, what would I do with another road bike? Is there space? Would my wife be mad? Is there room?

Of course, the pursuit of happiness trumps all other concerns.

Is not the thrill of the chase better than the kill?
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Assuming you can negotiate another bike with your spouse, the price is decent. This bike is, I think, fully the equal of a top end Italian bike from that era with top flight campagnolo components. And those bikes tend to go for more than $495. I also happen to really like French bikes.

But the pandemic is likely pushing down the market for top end vintage bikes. I know I'm passing on new old bikes at this point for that reason. So I guess I'm keeping my New Year's resolution after all,

Of course there are ways to buy bikes while engaging in social distancing . . .
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So I guess I was correct that it is simplex Rd. Just a rebadge. Thank you for the link on the history of speidel.

I agree that it looks like a very well put together bike. Lots of quality parts.

I wonder if it is the famous helocomatic rear hub-freewheel?

Tempting...

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Fair price for a really nice riding bike, in my opinion. I had something similar, years ago, but it was too big for me (rode it anyway).
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$495? I don't think so, not at that price. It will be a nice riding bike, for certain. I wouldn't buy it for more than $250 as it sits, but that's me. I agree with the above poster, the brake levers don't look right. In today's world as a seller, I would expect no more than $325 for that bike.
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I have a 77 PY10. I am not considering selling it, but I would not sell it for $495. I paid $300 Canadian and did a total tear down. It is original except for new Cables and housing, new cotton bar tape, new Panaracer Pasela tires, and new toe clips.
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Was the PY10 a step up from the PX-10? I own what I believe to be a 75/76 PX-10 and I thought that was the top of the heap. Unfortunately, I will be passing it on with never riding it because it is quite a bit too small.

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I have a 77 PY10. I am not considering selling it, but I would not sell it for $495. I paid $300 Canadian and did a total tear down. It is original except for new Cables and housing, new cotton bar tape, new Panaracer Pasela tires, and new toe clips.
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Was the PY10 a step up from the PX-10? I own what I believe to be a 75/76 PX-10 and I thought that was the top of the heap. Unfortunately, I will be passing it on with never riding it because it is quite a bit too small.
yeah it’s “higher end” than a px 10
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Was the PY10 a step up from the PX-10? I own what I believe to be a 75/76 PX-10 and I thought that was the top of the heap. Unfortunately, I will be passing it on with never riding it because it is quite a bit too small.
Yes, the PY10 was hand built in the "Prestige Peugeot" workshop. Each PY10 was custom ordered. I am the third owner of mine. It was ordered with gold anodized drive train and brake components.
"Peugeot opened its new “Prestige Peugeot” workshop towards the end of 1974 for the production of hand-made bicycles for the Peugeot racing team and for private customers. Until this time the top Peugeot racing machine was designated the PX10 which was built in the main factory at Beaulieu. The bicyles produced in the Prestige workshop were designated PY10, and the PX10 continued as the top production bike." ref:1974 Peugeot PY10
Hope this helps.
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Yes, the PY10 was hand built in the "Prestige Peugeot" workshop. Each PY10 was custom ordered. I am the third owner of mine. It was ordered with gold anodized drive train and brake components.
"Peugeot opened its new “Prestige Peugeot” workshop towards the end of 1974 for the production of hand-made bicycles for the Peugeot racing team and for private customers. Until this time the top Peugeot racing machine was designated the PX10 which was built in the main factory at Beaulieu. The bicyles produced in the Prestige workshop were designated PY10, and the PX10 continued as the top production bike." ref:1974 Peugeot PY10
Hope this helps.
Thanks thanks for the link! The gold anodization looks cool. I wonder why the kranks and chainrings can't be anodized?

I think this bike will sell, even as the bottom falls out of the market for luxury goods.
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Thanks thanks for the link! The gold anodization looks cool. I wonder why the kranks and chainrings can't be anodized?
Cranks and chain rings can be anodized. Most new aluminium ones are, but in silver or black. One issue with anodizing gold, black, or any colour that is different than the base metal is, if it is on a wear surface it will eventually wear off and the silver colour of the aluminium comes through.
Without anodizing, the aluminium parts on my PY10 polished up nice with Mothers Aluminium Wheel Polish.
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Price is quite decent, if the paint is close to perfect under the dust and grime it might have, and zero rust.
the PYs were pretty much the top of the line Peugeots back then and they did go all the way with the best French component group at that time. Thst bike would surely sell to an 80's Peugeot fan for that price I would have seriously considered getting that bike, if it was local to me. The only reason it has not sold yet might be because of the present crashing economy cause of the virus.
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It appears to be sold.
I wonder if bikemig snapped it up?
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Originally Posted by jmlandry77 View Post
It appears to be sold.
I wonder if bikemig snapped it up?
Nah but I would have been tempted had it been local to me. In any case, you had first dibs.
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