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1980 Trek 412 new in box value?

Old 07-14-20, 09:53 AM
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I understand wanting a specific bike. Obviously, you weren't the only person interested either. We always think about the "ones that got away." I bought a 1977 vintage Motobecane Gran Jubile some years ago for similar reasons. When I bought my own first "real" bike it was a Motobecane Nomade b/c that was all I could afford. The Jubile sitting on the rack next to it was what I wanted. In reality Jubiles before 1977 were better bikes but it was 1977 when I was a 14 year old standing in the shop. Not NIB but very clean and original, I paid about $200 including shipping. Prices have gone up.
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Originally Posted by Walter View Post
I understand wanting a specific bike. Obviously, you weren't the only person interested either. We always think about the "ones that got away." I bought a 1977 vintage Motobecane Gran Jubile some years ago for similar reasons. When I bought my own first "real" bike it was a Motobecane Nomade b/c that was all I could afford. The Jubile sitting on the rack next to it was what I wanted. In reality Jubiles before 1977 were better bikes but it was 1977 when I was a 14 year old standing in the shop. Not NIB but very clean and original, I paid about $200 including shipping. Prices have gone up.
For me its not so much the one that got away, back in the day I likely wouldn't have ever bought a Trek. They were a fairly new, unproven name. I glanced at them and bought something else. They were priced way higher than comparable bikes often with lesser components. When a 412 was new, its prime competition was likely the Schwinn Voyager, or Letour 12.2, maybe a Motobecane Grand Jubile, a Raleigh Super Course. All were well out of my comfort zone price wise then. I bought a used older Motobecane which some older guy traded in complete with aluminum fenders, racks, and Michelin tires. All the 'stuff' added made it cheap even though it still looked brand new. (Wish I still had it). There was no model name on it, it had been brought over from France a few years prior by the former owner. It had 531 decals, was painted deep, dark burgundy metalic, with the rectangular pattern fenders painted to match, the derailleurs were Huret Jubile, the cranks were drilled Stronglight 105's. The rims were Weinmann 256 with the dimpled spoke holes. For some reason I sold it and bought a Panasonic about three years later.

My only interest in the Trek was that it was new in the box, not at all that it was a Trek, or any particular model. The fact that it wasn't a higher end model and used 27" wheels interested me even more. Aesthetically, nearly all the other three tube chromoly bikes in those years had better eye appeal than the Treks, but looking back, they were better bikes than I realized at the time. Who was to know things would change and modern bikes would be so dull and boring, or made in China for that matter.
Back in the day when these older bikes were still in bike shops, especially Trek back then, Trek wasn't the brand most dealers were pushing hard to sell, they were more or less a side line back then. Especially in the first years when all they sold were frame sets.
My interest in Trek didn't start till more recent years, after borrowing one while on vacation I realized how much Iike the relaxed geometry of the 412. That experience put yet another model on my radar. If that new old stock bike had been a higher end racing geometry frame, I'd likely have not given it a second thought unless it was really cheap. I only collect bikes I like to ride, I don't care for the high end racing type frames, I'm more into touring bikes with less steep head tube angles and 27" wheels.
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I remember when Trek first got started. I had upgraded that Nomade I mentioned with aluminum wheels but it was still a heavy bike. Dealer showed me these new bikes and was talking about one (I don’t remember the model) for something like 450-500. My mother thought that was crazy. Didn’t matter, was out of my range.
By the mid80s high end Treks were sharp looking machines but in the later 70s they were pretty utilitarian looking. Similar vintage Motos were much nicer looking.
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Old 07-19-20, 04:13 PM
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Didn't read all the posts.

imho, only worth what your nostalgia wants to pay.
Try State Bicycle. They have a 4130 frame&fork and complete geared bike build for $799.
Many other companies with decent sub-$1,000 bikes.

That said, I paid almost as much for NOS 90's Pinarello entry level frame.
I think it's pretty, and it rides nice, but wouldn't do it again.




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Originally Posted by vintagebicycle View Post
I would say first off, $750 would be a lot to spend on an old bike but the OP says this is new in the box, that's a whole different animal than what were used to seeing.
The 412 is a three tube Ishiwatta frame, the forks and stays are Ishiwatta hi-ten steel. In a tall frame, that's probably a good thing. I don't think I'd want my 325 lbs riding a top two 1/2" diameter or smaller seat stays made of tubing .022 thick. Most larger frames, whether advertised or not get a step down in tubing for the stays and forks likely for this reason.

If you break down that bike in parts, figure what it would cost you to build a bike that age brand new, if you managed to find a brand new old stock frame, What will that cost you, sure it may be a higher end model, but what brand with it be? Anything decent is going to cost you big these days. I'd figure no less than $200, plus some hefty shipping for a tall frame, they don't fit in any bike box even stripped down. So a $200 frame is likely a $250 frame after shipping. If its anything really iconic, double it.
figure about $250 for the wheelset, if your lucky enough to find all the parts to build one, because finding a new old stock set like that isn't going to be likely, unless your very patient.
Figure another $125 plus for a vintage derailleur set, that one uses Suntour V, the last pair I saw went for $90 new in the box plus shipping, plus another $45 for a pair of matching shifters.
Tires and tubes of any decent quality will run you $80 these days.
A good saddle another $40, plus shipping, plus you need to hunt down a new old stock seat post, again, likely another $30-40.
Bars and stem, $50? depends on what your after, but most SR stems like that bike uses are going in the $35-45 range, and handle bars about the same. Again, you gotta add shipping because none of these items are coming from the same source.
You need a new old stock crankset, even a cheaper vintage crankset will run you $50, then add a BB for another $35 or so with more shipping.
Then you have brakes, two new old stock calipers or a whole brake set in a box will likely cost you close to $80 if you get lucky and spot one on fleabay.
Again, likely there will be more shipping.
You also need bar tape, and end plugs, another $20, maybe more.
With all these parts, you still have some added labor, your time hunting it all down, and then making it all work together. Plus, chances are you'll splurge a bit here and there, maybe a better saddle, maybe a Brooks B17? Then figure closer to $100 for the saddle, maybe a lighter forged crankset, another $100 or so and so on.

Building something like this starting with a used frame, your looking at first buying the frame, stripping it and paying someone to properly refinish it and replace all the lettering or decals. I just repainted a 1950's Raleigh Sports, I paid $100 for the bike in fair shape with mismatched paint on various parts. It was made up from three different bikes. The paint alone cost me $165, by the time I bought primer, filler primer, sealer, and the black lacquer, then a bottle of gold One shot to redo all the pinstripes, another 9 hours making up all the jigs to repaint the pinstripes exactly as they belong, plus a reproduction water slide decal set, added another $50 plus shipping from the UK, the whole repaint cost me over $300 before any labor is figured and I have over 30 hours in it so far. AND, when its all done, it'll just be another restored old Raleigh Sports. Not an original, and likely too perfect to really use the way I'd like to because I've got way too much money and time in it making it perfect.
If it were a modern bike, I may well be dealing with a high metallic candy color or multiple colors and gold leaf, plus base coat, clear coat and higher dollar paint.

So if I came across something I liked, that was my size, that was new old stock, perfect, never molested or abused, and I could afford it, I'd likely jump on it. Especially if it were only $750. Like mentioned above, where on earth will you ever find another one? More even so, when will you ever find another one that is for sale.
I would like to know what do I have on my can you or someone direct me to someone and I'm also trying to sell it
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Originally Posted by bargainguy View Post
Depends. If you absolutely must have a NOS Trek in the box, there probably aren't too many available.

But you have to consider what an '80 412 is worth. Even in cherry condition, $375-400 is pushing it. So is $750 reasonable? I don't know, you tell me.
Agree, it is worth it if you have to have it.
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