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Old 07-21-20, 01:57 AM
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Takara 960?

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bop/d/seattle-80s-japanese-touring-frameset/7162883525.html

What do you think of this? 90 bucks for the frame set, bars, and seat post. The price seems ok to me and I think I have a wheelset I could put on it. I know Tange Champion was pretty good tubing, was it not?

​I dont know anything about Takara bikes so maybe someone could fill me in on some details of the maker, or I suppose I could just Google it as well .

Anyway, thank you for your time.

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Old 07-21-20, 04:31 AM
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Doesn’t really wag my tail but Tange Champion frameset with decent paint is hard to take issue with at this price point. IMO it only makes sense if you have a donor bike or all the spare parts needed to build. If you plan to piecemeal the parts from eBay, you’ll spend much more than the bike will ever be worth. Been there!

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Yeah, I have a whole bunch of parts on hand that I can use. I agree that it would be too much to spend if I had to buy everything to rebuild it. I am going to look at it today so we will see what happens. I probably don't need another project but it's really difficult for me to pass by a good deal (or at least what I consider to be a good deal).

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For what it's worth, Takara is not a "hot" name in vintage bikes. That said, this bike has good paint and good tubing. The price is decent particularly given that this is the Seattle area where bike prices are high.

I'm skeptical that the bike can really clear 700 x 42 tires. I started a thread a while ago on which vintage bikes can take 38c tires. There were not a lot of winners out there.

700 x 38c tires on a vintage bike?
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If it's Tange Champion #1 or Champion #2 then, it's definitely worth it. The reason there's so many old Japanese frames still floating around is because they're indestructible. Bullet proof. Built to last a lifetime. I would fix it up and keep it for a personal bike. (It will cost so much to restore that you won't break even if you try and sell it). Few people understand & appreciate old Japanese steel. Be good. Have fun.
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I think that's a good frame, I almost bought it last weekend. When I saw it the frame had a pump umbrella covering the tubing sticker.

Did you get it? The add was deleted.
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Hey! Yeah, I picked it up. The frame is in good shape and looks like it could fun to build up. I am not quite sure what I plan to do with it yet. Gotta finish the Peugeot first, anyway
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If it's Tange Champion #1 or Champion #2 then, it's definitely worth it. The reason there's so many old Japanese frames still floating around is because they're indestructible. Bullet proof. Built to last a lifetime. I would fix it up and keep it for a personal bike. (It will cost so much to restore that you won't break even if you try and sell it). Few people understand & appreciate old Japanese steel. Be good. Have fun.
It's Champion #5 , but I am fine with it. It's relatively light and the paint is in good shape. I like old Japanese bikes quite a bit so when I find a good deal on one I generally go for it.
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
For what it's worth, Takara is not a "hot" name in vintage bikes. That said, this bike has good paint and good tubing. The price is decent particularly given that this is the Seattle area where bike prices are high.

I'm skeptical that the bike can really clear 700 x 42 tires. I started a thread a while ago on which vintage bikes can take 38c tires. There were not a lot of winners out there.

700 x 38c tires on a vintage bike?
The Seattle prices in addition to Covid prices; it's pretty crazy right now. Finding any kind of deal right now is challenging.
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This might be a good 650b candidate; I'll bet it would make a fine gravel bike.
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It's got threaded eyelets front & back. So, it will take fenders & racks. Maybe swap the drops for upright stem & bars. Put some thumbies on it. Make it into a city bike.
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That looks like a NJS frame.
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Yeah, I want to do something like that with it. Do they make 650b with quick release? My friend is trying to do a conversion but has had a hard time finding them in that configuration.

The upright bars could be a cool idea. I had intended to make it a 1x which would fit with that pretty well. Gravel bike could be cool, too. It will probably come down to the cheapest option. Haha.
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I hope you bought it because the CL post got deleted.
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Yeah, I grabbed it. It's no NJS, but I would love to find one for so cheap
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
This might be a good 650b candidate; I'll bet it would make a fine gravel bike.
I think I am going gravel. I kind of want to run a 1x8 with straight bars and thumb shifter, then put the biggest tires I can fit. Sounds like fun to me.
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The upright bars could be a cool idea. I had intended to make it a 1x which would fit with that pretty well. Gravel bike could be cool, too. It will probably come down to the cheapest option. Haha.[/QUOTE]

Here's an example you can copy:

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I think I am going gravel. I kind of want to run a 1x8 with straight bars and thumb shifter, then put the biggest tires I can fit. Sounds like fun to me.
I like trekking bars for a flat bar gravel bike set up. They're cheap. It's an easy conversion since they have the same dimensions as a MTB bar. And they give you lots of hand positions. Just think of them as a drop bar squished flat. You get better hand positions than with a flat bar and bar ends. This is my '92 Trek 950 set up with those bars:


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