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Peugeot Entry Level Time Capsule, What's It Worth?

Old 09-20-20, 11:44 AM
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Peugeot Entry Level Time Capsule, What's It Worth?

I do volunteer work for my church's bicycle charity. I wrench for them and determine which bikes we might sell to support our charity. That's where this Peugeot comes in. Someone donated this bike to the charity. To me the value of this bike is its originality. I can't recall seeing a 1970s bike boom bike in this condition in quite a while. It's an entry level Peugeot and I don't know the model designation or the year, but it's entry level for sure. What is unique is, it's pretty much all there. The chrome rims, Simplex derailleurs, Mafac brakes are all intact along with those unique wing nuts on the hubs and the Mafac hoods designed to work with the suicide levers. The tires and tubes have been replaced and the original saddle is in poor condition. While I'll include the saddle in the sale, I'll put another on the bike when we go to sell it. I don't want to ride it for fear that the Simplex jockey wheels will disintegrate as I've seen other Simplex derailleurs do. Right now, everything is good.
So if it's sold as is (but with a nicer saddle) what's it worth?



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wrt dating -

cannot be earlier than the 1972 model year as that was the first year for the NERVAR chromed steel chainguard.

spots to check for a date marking -

back side of the Simplex Prestige rear derailleur

underside of the Simplex Prestige front derailleur

inside small diamond symbol on the Rigida SUPERCHROMIX wheel rims




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3rd photo - those brake calipers are worth $50-100 easily. Some of the best ever made. Yes, complete mass production and so-so finish. Not works of cycle art. But stoppers? Yes!! You do have to get good modern pads simply because 45 yo pads have hardened,) Good cables and housings will help but are not required, Levers flunk all the modern touches (full hoods, areo cables, no releases ...) but are mechanically excellent and last near forever. Also the most comfortable undersides of the levers probably ever. (Mafac nailed it with their rolled sheet metal underside, No edges to chafe skin.)

I've been saying for more than 20 years that you could go to garage sales and get those brakes near NOS for $50. You just had to remove and dispose the UO-8 attached. Yes, I am being a little harsh on the bike, But I had one, Part of my life without a car for 15 years. Died a violent death at 22,000 miles. (Car door.)

I did the rather popular change to a 12-28 FW when I bought mine, As a not entirely responsible kid, it meant death to several Simplex derailleurs and mangling of the dropout, Over years of all-winter riding, many crashes, many minor tweaks to frame alignment and the experience of a "new" ride after each of those crashes. No-hands didn't happen the last half of its existence,

Some love those bikes and treat them gently enough to get many miles on them. You've got a gem there and you might find a very willing taker.
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does not appear to be a U.S. market model

is wheel size 27" or is it 700?

lug pattern is BOCAMA 14/II

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following spot of exploration -

looks to be model UJ10

1974 U.S. market catalogue page:


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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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does not appear to be a U.S. market model

is wheel size 27" or is it 700?

lug pattern is BOCAMA 14/II

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following spot of exploration -

looks to be model UJ10

1974 U.S. market catalogue page:


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That's very, very close. The bike we have is a small frame, approximately 50cm size. Other than the brake levers the bike in the catalog appears identical.
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Originally Posted by roccobike View Post
That's very, very close. The bike we have is a small frame, approximately 50cm size. Other than the brake levers the bike in the catalog appears identical.

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yes, figured close eno' for a model ID. subject machine may be a year or so away from the catalogue example.

a "new-to-me" model but then am definitely not one of the forum's numbrous Peugeot experts...

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I would agree it is a UJ model circa 1973 interesting bike as you don't see many UJ bikes in the US. As for value with the exceptional clean condition clean original condition likely worth more as parts than a bike nicely parted about with stuff cleaned up $300-350 as bike cleaned up a bit made good ready to ride $200-250 to the right local buyer as is local sale $100-150.
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Might get more for just the brakeset on ebay. Locally, for the whole bike, I'd say $50. They are steel rims, right?
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Originally Posted by zukahn1 View Post
I would agree it is a UJ model circa 1973 interesting bike as you don't see many UJ bikes in the US. As for value with the exceptional clean condition clean original condition likely worth more as parts than a bike nicely parted about with stuff cleaned up $300-350 as bike cleaned up a bit made good ready to ride $200-250 to the right local buyer as is local sale $100-150.
It's possible this bike originated in Europe. We were contacted by a cyclist who wanted to donate three bikes. He's from Whales. I believe he was the one who donated this bike. It might have been his when he lived there.

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Might get more for just the brakeset on ebay. Locally, for the whole bike, I'd say $50. They are steel rims, right?
I'm not going to break it up for parts. I do have an alloy wheelset that I could use to replace the steel set. I didn't want to do that, but might add the alloy set and throw in the steel set just to raise the price a little.
Thanks for the estimate.
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Odd little footnote - this bike has Bocama model 14 pattern II lugs, which were also used on the PA-10, but not on the comparable A-08/U-08 sorts of bikes, which got the Aztec-look lugs. The graphics look 1970-74 to my eye. Cool bike!
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Leaving aside the value of the mafac competition brakes, a basic bike boom Peugeot from this era is worth something in the neighborhood of $50-$75. But this one is really clean and the co-op will fix it up. I'd value it at $100-$150 fixed up with new tires.
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...I think maybe price will be limited by your potential market. It's both small, and not all that ambitious in terms of where it sits in the hierarchy lineup. While interesting to bike nerds, it might be less interesting to your market demographic, especially considering the overall tecnical issues with its Frenchness. A lot of bikes just as little used have gotten turned into donor bikes over the years, just for this reason.
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is wheel size 27" or is it 700?
They're 27s (see last photo).
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I sold the same bike with a replacement saddle, rewrapped bars, and in better shape for $160. That was a few months ago. Now with the COVID bump I'd be looking for at least $225-$250. Yours need some sprucing up to get that, at least in my opinion, and in my area.
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I believe I also upgraded the rims to alloy. I generally don't like the performance of those textured steel rims.
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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does not appear to be a U.S. market model

is wheel size 27" or is it 700?

lug pattern is BOCAMA 14/II

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following spot of exploration -

looks to be model UJ10

1974 U.S. market catalogue page:


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I'm not sure it's the same bike. The cable routing is very different, there are tabs to hold a pump, and the top tube seems shorter.
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Originally Posted by rustystrings61 View Post
Odd little footnote - this bike has Bocama model 14 pattern II lugs, which were also used on the PA-10, but not on the comparable A-08/U-08 sorts of bikes, which got the Aztec-look lugs. The graphics look 1970-74 to my eye. Cool bike!
They used they Bocoma lugs for the smaller frames at all levels there in house lugs didn't go smaller than 21".
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Originally Posted by zukahn1 View Post
They used they Bocoma lugs for the smaller frames at all levels there in house lugs didn't go smaller than 21".
Makes perfect sense. I always wondered about those fancy lugs on a low-end bike.
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@ 79pmooney

I've been saying for more than 20 years that you could go to garage sales and get those brakes near NOS for $50. You just had to remove and dispose the UO-8 attached.
Believe it or not, I did this one day. Two Pergeots presented themselves to me, both nearly mint and the mixte model sported the original pump. I bought both bikes for $100 CND, sold the mixte for $100 plus a $100 credit at a local bike shop, and kept the other one for the Mafac half hoods (they are hard to find and increasing in value, these days). Can't remember what I did with the bike (probably donated it to B4H) but these are the hoods, original not repos, that I kept...
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Originally Posted by kross57 View Post
Makes perfect sense. I always wondered about those fancy lugs on a low-end bike.
That particular Bocama lug, once you notice it, starts turning up in all sorts of places. Allegro switched from Nervex Professionals to the 14/pattern II on all of their 531-tubed bikes c.1960 or so, and used them through 1974. Raleigh used them on 25.5-in Super Courses during the anniversary headbadge period, but not on smaller frames. Peugeot used them on small bikes and on the PA-10, at least certain years. Jeunet used them as one of several different patterns for the 630 model (honestly, I think they used whatever came to hand for those). It's a moderately fancy lug compared to the ubiquitous Bocama Professional that everyone was using throughout the 70s.
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