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Mattdiano 02-17-21 08:58 PM

9 Hole BB??
 
I know there is no way this is a 1969 Super, but can anyone help ID this frame? I am thinking about picking it up. Thanks!!

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DMC707 02-18-21 01:08 AM

Its old —- get it now sort it later

u less they are asking Cinelli prices, then maybe pause to give it a think

Mattdiano 02-18-21 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by DMC707 (Post 21929276)
Its old ó- get it now sort it later

u less they are asking Cinelli prices, then maybe pause to give it a think

That sir, is some sage advice! Asking price is $75, so not Cinelli pricing at all. I reached out to see about buying it.

rando_couche 02-18-21 11:18 AM

The lugs are the same as on a Windsor Carrera Sport but the seat cluster is genuine imitation Cinelli. IIRC, Carabela (Windsor's sister brand) had a high-end bike that looked an awful lot like this, built with Tange or Ishiwata db CrMo and Dura Ace components, so maybe that's what it is?

zukahn1 02-18-21 03:10 PM

I was thinking it may be a Mexican built frame also the lugs and dropout finishing with Suntour GS dropouts would seem to match a mid to late 70's Mexican built frame set. the holes in the bottom bracket and the double bottle cage mounts are interesting looks like the may have be done later when the frame was repainted. As for value if it's strait no dings or dents then the $75 seems about right.

canyoneagle 02-18-21 05:31 PM

I was also considering picking this one up (posted a "help me identify this frame" thread in C&V). Seems Windsor Super Carrera is a likely tag.

Go for it! could be a fun build, and the price is right

juvela 02-18-21 06:23 PM

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https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ing-frame.html

T-Mar sorts another one :)

if somene purchases it please let us know if steerer is .833 and if shell is 68mm Italian threaded

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Mattdiano 02-18-21 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by canyoneagle (Post 21930530)
I was also considering picking this one up (posted a "help me identify this frame" thread in C&V). Seems Windsor Super Carrera is a likely tag.

Go for it! could be a fun build, and the price is right

Thanks for the info! Haven't heard back from the seller, but if I do I will pick it up and see if I can find any other information on it.

Mattdiano 02-18-21 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by rando_couche (Post 21929875)
The lugs are the same as on a Windsor Carrera Sport but the seat cluster is genuine imitation Cinelli. IIRC, Carabela (Windsor's sister brand) had a high-end bike that looked an awful lot like this, built with Tange or Ishiwata db CrMo and Dura Ace components, so maybe that's what it is?

Thank you for all of this. 80's Italian frames are what I know, this is all new to me, but a very interesting frame.

Mattdiano 02-18-21 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by zukahn1 (Post 21930306)
I was thinking it may be a Mexican built frame also the lugs and dropout finishing with Suntour GS dropouts would seem to match a mid to late 70's Mexican built frame set. the holes in the bottom bracket and the double bottle cage mounts are interesting looks like the may have be done later when the frame was repainted. As for value if it's strait no dings or dents then the $75 seems about right.

Thanks for the info, I appreciate it!

DMC707 02-19-21 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Mattdiano (Post 21930661)
Thank you for all of this. 80's Italian frames are what I know, this is all new to me, but a very interesting frame.


it looks like a Cinelli clone . Some of the knowledge thrown around here has taught me a couple things for sure

Kabuki12 02-19-21 05:43 PM

My Windsor Pro has the same BB detail as well as the serial # on the seat tube but my lugs are different.
also I donít have eyelets on the drop outs.

Mattdiano 02-19-21 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Kabuki12 (Post 21932178)
My Windsor Pro has the same BB detail as well as the serial # on the seat tube but my lugs are different.
also I donít have eyelets on the drop outs.

And the plot thickens! I am definitely learning more and more about this frame!

mech986 03-14-21 12:26 AM

So did anyone pic this frame up and what size it is? Says 23 so suggestive of 58.5cm.

IIRC, Windsor Pros of that era had that drill pattern - the 8 holes align at the 3 - 9 position with the center hole while Cinellis model SC Brugelmann had 7 holes and rotated so none lines up at 3-9. Superficially they look similar and some sellers fool novices into thinking these Mexican built frames are Cinellis.

From Velo Retro:
1972-76
Mod. S.C. Leggerissimo made to order for Radsport Brugelmann in Frankfurt; yellow with red head tube and seven holes (six holes arranged in circle with seventh hole in center) in bottom of BB shell.

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