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Old 05-09-21, 02:57 PM
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Wizard discovery

so there I was not needing another project, and surfing FB market and a brand Iíve never heard of pops up.

it appears to be a bonafide Wizard with what I assume to be the serial number 26 on the BB.
The paintwork has seen better days but looks better in person. There are scratches that wonít buff out.. but itís all there.

can I get some thoughts on what I have and the age old question of restore or preserve..
approximate value of the frame will help me decide on how to move forward..

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Old 05-09-21, 03:05 PM
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What you have there is one very valuable bicycle.
Clean carefully and preserve, but do NOT repaint.
Components should be removed, some of them refurbished and correct ones (e.g. all Campagnolo Nuovo Record) fitted.
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WOW. I agree with rccardr just take everything off and carefully clean and wax that frame. Nuovo Record would be the group for it but I’d really consider leaving that RD if it is Jubilee.

search the forums for Wizard, there are very few of these in existence
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I'd be happy to take it off your hands. Problem solved.
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WOW. I agree with rccardr just take everything off and carefully clean and wax that frame. Nuovo Record would be the group for it but Iíd really consider leaving that RD if it is Jubilee.

search the forums for Wizard, there are very few of these in existence
Iíll have to clean it and research what it is thanks ...
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Yeah...when/if this one is for sale, well...I'm here for it!

There were ~80 of these made? Who knows how many still exist, then one pops up like this. Wow.
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Sometimes, posts like these make me worry a tad. How was the previous owner, did they explain their position with the bicycle? Surely, a Wizard owner would not leave one out in the pasture for not... especially with such a set up and being sold without a seat.

Anywho I did wake up on the wrong side of the bed today, Iím sure my skepticism is just me!!
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Originally Posted by SoccerBallXan View Post
Sometimes, posts like these make me worry a tad. How was the previous owner, did they explain their position with the bicycle? Surely, a Wizard owner would not leave one out in the pasture for not... especially with such a set up and being sold without a seat.

Anywho I did wake up on the wrong side of the bed today, Iím sure my skepticism is just me!!
Bonafide decent married couple, his old commuter bike bought it locally and modified it for his use, who knows how many hands it had been through since 1974. Kept the seat because he used it on his replacement bike.
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For a realistic valuation, touch base with Wayne Bingham at Velo Classique in VA. Was just out there today and mentioned this find.
Wayne was a personal friend of Brian Bayliss and has Wizard #50 as well as one of the only two second gen Wizard bikes made. And I think maybe another Bayliss and another Wizard.
Anyway, he can give you good advice on how to proceed.
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Doc..

thanks for the useful info. i will send them an email and try to gather up some more information.

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Great find and interesting history!
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These were not expensive when new.
Were just a used bike for a long time.
Major ouch on the top tube dent.
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Not sure about your information

Originally Posted by repechage View Post
These were not expensive when new.
Were just a used bike for a long time.
Major ouch on the top tube dent.
where did you get your information, do you know who Brian Bayliss is? All responses so far indicate that this is a very rare and sought after frame.. Iíve done a lot of reading on the Masi- Wizard - Masi - Bayliss cycles story and I believe you are mistaken. The fact that Brian Bayliss spent an inordinate amount of time on each frame, the obvious quality of the lugwork tells me itís special...

but Iíd be interested to know how much they were new if you have first hand knowledge ...

thanks for the comment..

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Old 05-17-21, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary12000 View Post
where did you get your information, do you know who Brian Bayliss is? All responses so far indicate that this is a very rare and sought after frame.. I’ve done a lot of reading on the Masi- Wizard - Masi - Bayliss cycles story and I believe you are mistaken. The fact that Brian Bayliss spent an inordinate amount of time on each frame, the obvious quality of the lugwork tells me it’s special...

but I’d be interested to know how much they were new if you have first hand knowledge ...

thanks for the comment..

Gary
I got my information from Brian directly.
Brian readily admitted he was not a builder at Masi, but did all the ancillary tasks. He did not do primary torch work at the onset at Wizard.. Mike Howard did, his Wizard partner. Mike did braze at Masi.
Wizard collapsed in part as there was too much time spent on each frame.
They gave away a few to good riders to drum up business. what they needed more of was cash to buy materials.
Brian was gifted and a quick study, by the time Wizard was over, Brian could call himself a framebuilder.
He still spent too much time on a frame but eventually was able to charge for it, kind of.
While the price rose, they were always under-priced.
Frame painting and repairs helped the cash flow.
Baylis has only one s.

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