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A Schwinn Paramount P-14

Old 05-13-21, 05:41 AM
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A Schwinn Paramount P-14

So, is this actually worth $1000 or is that only slightly overpriced? It is a very nice frame but $1000 nice...








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70s Paramounts command some crazy prices. Speaking for myself, if I'm gonna spend a grand, I want a complete bike. Very nice condition on that frameset, though, and I love the gold.
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This frame was listed on offer up for $500, he also had a set of campy pista wheels. I asked if he had any more parts for the bike, he said yes, it was a complete bike, so I bought all of them - pista crank, bb and pedals; steel cinelli bar and stem; unicanitor and campy post along with two sets of wheels - one set have the factory drilled campy hubs. He does clean outs and got the bike for next to nothing, if it were close to my size I probably would have bought the frame but it's very small.
He called me a week after I bought the parts and offered the frame at less than 500, I told him no thanks but explained he would do best to sell it on ebay. I told him I'd list it for 750, or try craigs and list it at 600. He took part of my advice and listed it on cl at 1000, it's been up for a month now so if you were interested in it I'd suggest making an offer. It is a nice bike if it fits you.
Meanwhile I'm searching for a 24" - 25" P14 frame to hang the parts on!
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I was ready to say no (still too much for me) but it looks perfect and looks like it may be a 100 year anniversary model so to a collector it may be worth it.
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Old 05-13-21, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Gusgus View Post
This frame was listed on offer up for $500, he also had a set of campy pista wheels. I asked if he had any more parts for the bike, he said yes, it was a complete bike, so I bought all of them - pista crank, bb and pedals; steel cinelli bar and stem; unicanitor and campy post along with two sets of wheels - one set have the factory drilled campy hubs. He does clean outs and got the bike for next to nothing, if it were close to my size I probably would have bought the frame but it's very small.
He called me a week after I bought the parts and offered the frame at less than 500, I told him no thanks but explained he would do best to sell it on ebay. I told him I'd list it for 750, or try craigs and list it at 600. He took part of my advice and listed it on cl at 1000, it's been up for a month now so if you were interested in it I'd suggest making an offer. It is a nice bike if it fits you.
Meanwhile I'm searching for a 24" - 25" P14 frame to hang the parts on!
Very cool but sadly it is both too much money and way too small.
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Originally Posted by johnnyace View Post
70s Paramounts command some crazy prices. Speaking for myself, if I'm gonna spend a grand, I want a complete bike. Very nice condition on that frameset, though, and I love the gold.
+ 1 on this advice. If I am going to spend that kind of money, I want a complete bike.
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I sold one last year for $400. I would think that is the range for this year and model. Smiles, MH
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Too high......200 350 range, although small as well as large frames can oftentimes demand a premium...just needs the right buyer.
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Originally Posted by xiaoman1 View Post
Too high......200 350 range, although small as well as large frames can oftentimes demand a premium...just needs the right buyer.
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Seems low - any data points to support those numbers?
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With all the parts and both wheel sets if they have good tires $1000 isn't too far off from reasonable value I would say $800 or so for a local CL that would actually sell
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You may be correct.....the upper range may be closer to the correct number, just basing my opinion on what I see fully decked-out P's on CL. the ask is for around a grand, unless they are chrome 1600.00 to 2000.00+ and they are languishing out here in L.A. etc.
Considering the cost to get all the correct components for the proper build, adds up really quickly....so would a completed rebuild be worth it....that's up to the buyer.
Asking is different from the selling price, when they are no longer listed one can never tell if they sold at the ask or were removed. The OP should throw out a high price and see what happens..maybe 400 to 600 and see if anyone bites.
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Not sure if it is clear but I don't think the OP is the owner, the frame is listed for sale on Philadelphia CL and op was asking about value.
All of the original parts and an extra set of wheels were purchased by myself, I have no other connection to the owner or OP.
I did see the frame and can vouch for it's good condition and my impression from the owner is an offer in the 4-500 range would probably buy it.
Given what I paid for the parts that would put the value of the complete bike near 1000.
Still searching for a similar frame in a larger 24"-25" size, any leads appreciated especially any frames for 250 - 300 or even complete bikes for 800 - 1000 as I do not seem to be able to find something like that in L.A. or anywhere else. Detroit CL has a repainted, no original parts bike for 1200 but that's about all I can find.

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If you have all the right parts and the frame set is the right size with nice paint in a color you like with good chrome $400 or so is a fair price for 70's Paramount track frame set.
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Originally Posted by zukahn1 View Post
If you have all the right parts and the frame set is the right size with nice paint in a color you like with good chrome $400 or so is a fair price for 70's Paramount track frame set.
This one ticks all those boxes except size for me, please let me know if you ever see one 24 - 25 inch for sale!
Color unimportant but original paint desired, finders fee paid!
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Maybe try posting a WTB post in the classic sales forum for a high end 24-25 track frame. You may be surprised how much great stuff at friendly pricing that can be had if you ask.
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I need to revise my number....I just realized it a track frame, so 400-500 tops, it's not a 1000.00...if it fits you make an offer.
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