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Old 09-08-21, 06:00 AM
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Please help to identify this old bike

Hi Guys,
I came across this old frame in great condition, it's probably northing special but would be nice to know what kind of bike it is.
I couldn't find any stickers or serial number on it and it's most likely been repainted. It has a full Shimano 105 FC-1055 groupset on it, headset, brakes, gear etc...according to the 2 letter shimano date code it was built on March 1991. The frame itself has some unique features which I have attached in the photos below. It has some columbus engraved on the tubing here and there and on the fork, seat tube has 74A lettering on it. Any ideas what bike is this?







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Old 09-08-21, 06:27 AM
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the 74A is probably the seat tube angle.
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Miele? BMZ? Giordano?

The only major brands that used Columbus drops were Bottecchia, Daccordi, Cinelli and maybe Presto, or Macario or something...
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Well, it's Italian. Of course. And, with those particular cut outs I would guess that's a Colnago or De Rosa. But, I'm leaning more towards a De Rosa
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Well, it's Italian. Of course. And, with those particular cut outs I would guess that's a Colnago or De Rosa. But, I'm leaning more towards a De Rosa
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yes, it probably is of Italian origin although can see nothing which would preclude a birthplace in Flanderland

two images which might assist the forum's frame detectives are one giving a closeup of the underside of the shell and one of the brake bridge

keep in mind also that we have not been as yet informed of the frame's threading

the A on the 74A marking may be a means of indicating the the lug's sockets are intended for ISO dimension tubes

lug pattern is BOCAMA Professionnelle Luxe BA B1011 with cutout nr. B1

MauriceMoss is sure to sort all matters upon his next visit

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Thanks, I just found this numbers under the BB in direct sunlight, I couldn't see it the other night. would this help?
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NDL, you might check under the BB cable guide. Often serial numbers extend under there so might be missing a digit or two
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LOL! If there is a SN, it can't be a Colnago! Not to mention that he lug cutouts are typically a clover.
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Thanks, I just found this numbers under the BB in direct sunlight, I couldn't see it the other night. would this help?
is it a single cutout under the bottom bracket or is there another one on the other side of the plastic guide?
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yes there are two cutouts
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here we are now at a dozen posts on this inquiry and we have yet to be informed of frame's threading or of its tubing diameters

if these checks are inconvenient one easy one would be to measure the shell width

a 70mm shell would be consistent with an Italian origin & would not rule out a Belgian one

while a 68mm shell would tend to rule out and Italian origin

"by eye" it appears to be a 70...


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Based on the apparent age of the bike and the quality it is interesting that it has no distinctive details or makers marking on the frame which would tend to rule most of the major makers. So likely a smaller maker around this time there a couple dozen lesser Italian makers producing similar bikes in Italy and Europe. As for the BB threading it is likely marked on the face of the cups and the tubing size can be determined by the markings sizing on the bottom half of the seat post.
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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here we are now at a dozen posts on this inquiry and we have yet to be informed of frame's threading or of its tubing diameters

if these checks are inconvenient one easy one would be to measure the shell width

a 70mm shell would be consistent with an Italian origin & would not rule out a Belgian one

while a 68mm shell would tend to rule out and Italian origin

"by eye" it appears to be a 70...


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Sorry I am new to the C & V scene, here are the tubing measurement
Head tube 32mm
Top tube 26mm
Down tube 29mm
Seat tube 29mm
Seat Post 27mm
BB width 68mm
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NDL, you might check under the BB cable guide. Often serial numbers extend under there so might be missing a digit or two
I removed the cable guide today, there is no extra numbers underneath it.
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Nice bike! It looks to be well made, and the style is Italianesque, but with a 68mm shell I would not rule out a Belgian build.
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Thanks for the tag, juvela .

NDL - you wouldn't happen to be in Australia, possibly Sydney area, would you?

The reason I ask is that most features of this frame seem point to a well regarded Sydney area builder named Kerry Hopkins.
The seat stay caps and the serial number location (although I can't fully make it out in the pic) are both consistent with Kerry's builds. He also often used Columbus dropouts, as well as the same chainstay bridge and bottom bracket shell. It would be helpful to see a pic of the stay end treatment as well as a clearer pic of the serial number.

Serial numbers on Hopkins frames changed over the years and I've seen 4 different formats, but they were all stamped in the same part of the bottom bracket shell. The first character in the serial on your bike looks rounded, so it could be a very narrow "G" that you'll find most commonly on Hopkins built bikes. I've also seen serials with no letter prefix as well as ones with "KH" and "ABK."
You could try to get more info by contacting ABC Bikes (Kerry might be retired by now but maybe someone there might still have the books with serial numbers (perhaps his son Shaun?)). Shaun Hopkins, btw, won a couple of silver medals at the 2008 Paralympic Games in Beijing.


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Thanks for the tag, juvela .

NDL - you wouldn't happen to be in Australia, possibly Sydney area, would you?

The reason I ask is that most features of this frame seem point to a well regarded Sydney area builder named Kerry Hopkins.
The seat stay caps and the serial number location (although I can't fully make it out in the pic) are both consistent with Kerry's builds. He also often used Columbus dropouts, as well as the same chainstay bridge and bottom bracket shell. It would be helpful to see a pic of the stay end treatment as well as a clearer pic of the serial number.

Serial numbers on Hopkins frames changed over the years and I've seen 4 different formats, but they were all stamped in the same part of the bottom bracket shell. The first character in the serial on your bike looks rounded, so it could be a very narrow "G" that you'll find most commonly on Hopkins built bikes. I've also seen serials with no letter prefix as well as ones with "KH" and "ABK."
You could try to get more info by contacting ABC Bikes (Kerry might be retired by now but maybe someone there might still have the books with serial numbers (perhaps his son Shaun?)). Shaun Hopkins, btw, won a couple of silver medals at the 2008 Paralympic Games in Beijing.


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AMAZING!! How you gathered all these info is beyond me, such wealth of knownlege in bikes across the globe. I am from Sydney and everything you said matches my bike, I am so glad I joined this forum instead of some other local ones.
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AMAZING!! How you gathered all these info is beyond me, such wealth of knownlege in bikes across the globe. I am from Sydney and everything you said matches my bike, I am so glad I joined this forum instead of some other local ones.
Well, he didn't come cheap, but since the MVP laurels will probably go to MauriceMoss again this week, I'm happy.
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