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Raleigh Mixte Reynolds 531 Campy

Old 09-16-22, 01:49 PM
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Raleigh Mixte Reynolds 531 Campy

I picked up a Raleigh Mixte at a bike swap about 10 years ago for my spouse. She never used it, so it's been in storage for the last decade. Finally took it out to clean her up and to see if I could learn more about it. After a few hours peeling through Raleigh and Campy catalogues, I'm still at a loss. Any help identifying (and valuing) this bike would be greatly appreciated! Here's what I know:

Frame Serial Number: WC4006269
Frame material: Reynolds 531, half-chrome seat stays
Fork material: Unknown, half chromed
Dropouts: Huret
Drivetrain: Campy (unknown year, but looks 1980s or newer since index shifting). Looks like a long cage rear derailleur
Brakes: Campy (unknown year)
Brake levers: Shimano 600
Rims: Araya 27s
Hubs: Campy Record front, Shimano Deore XT M737 rear
Headset and Bottom Bracket: Campy
Cassette: Shimano

Since I'm new here, I can't post photos directly in this thread just yet. But I've uploaded a bunch to my album called "Raleigh Mixte".
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Old 09-16-22, 02:01 PM
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Old 09-16-22, 02:05 PM
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I'll do a little research myself, but that is a pretty bike. The paint looks so good I wonder if it is a repaint. It has a mish/mash of components, which isn't great if someone wants it original spec., but the changes are probably upgrades for ergonomics and performance I suppose. The fenders are nice, although they need adjusting. One thing is, from the serial number, it was made in the Raleigh Worksop England factory and that's a good thing. Worksop is the name of the town, and yes, it is spelled correctly.

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Old 09-16-22, 02:09 PM
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Thanks TugaDude ! I suspect the original components were all Campy given the HS and BB. So really just the rear hub/wheel, shifters and stem were replaced? I agree the paint is impeccable, though a little wear here and there, so fingers crossed its original.
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Old 09-16-22, 02:40 PM
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Thanks TugaDude ! I suspect the original components were all Campy given the HS and BB. So really just the rear hub/wheel, shifters and stem were replaced? I agree the paint is impeccable, though a little wear here and there, so fingers crossed its original.
Someone more knowledgeable than I will come along hopefully. I suspect it is no older than the 1990s, or late 80s at best. That negates what I said about it coming out of the old Carlton Worksop plant because My understanding is that plant stopped producing bicycles in the early to mid 80s.

Something strikes me as odd about the bike, the decoration, etc. I hope I'm wrong and this isn't a cobbled-together masquerade.
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Old 09-16-22, 09:15 PM
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I see this has a sticker from a shop in Toronto. Perhaps @T-Mar can help here.
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Old 09-17-22, 08:47 AM
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Just for clarification, its not a mixte. Nice bike regardless!
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Old 09-17-22, 09:07 AM
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Technically, this isn't a mixte, as it doesn't have mid-stays running from the head tube to the rear dropouts. It's a modified step-through design.

The serial number indicates that it was manufactured in either 1974 or 1984. Unless, it's been modified, the presence of the bottle bosses suggest 1984. However, Raleigh did not used a "C" as a month indicator in their serial number format. It could be a poorly struck "G", which would indicate May. If it is actually from 1984, then it is not Worksop manufacture, as that division closed in 1981, with the Lightweght Division at Nottingham using the "W" division indentifier.

The Reynolds decal is their 50th anniversary edition, issued for 1985. Reynolds offered these to anybody who could prove they owned a Reynolds 531 frame, Since it post dates either possible manufacturing date, it would appear to be a replacement.

I don't recall any Raleigh model like this. A look at extant (non-USA) Raleigh catalogues from 1983-1984 do not show any matches. All the 1984 models are traditonal men's frames and the only female 531 frames in 1983 are the Royal and Clubman, both of which are true mixtes. Also, neither have chrome, the dropouts are SunTour and the cable are routed under the BB shell. In 1984 there was a Classic touring model with 531, the same amount of chrome and and Huret Duopar derailleurs, but it used SunTour dopouts and had the cable routed under the BB shell.

One very curious detail is the Sachs-Huret shift lever clamp with Campagnolo levers. The installation of non-matching levers suggests that the clamp may be OEM and would match the 1984 Classic 15 model that was Duopar equipped. Since Huret was acquired by Sachs in 1983, this suggests a 1984 model but it is in conflct with the derailleur cable routing and dropouts. Photos of actual surviving Classic 15 do show that the catalogue spec'd SunTour dropouts and cable routing under the BB shell, were actually used in production.

The Huret dropouts raise the possibiliy of a 1974 model, specifically a Competition, as they used Huret dropouts, had the integral sloping crown fork and used cable routing over the BB shell, via a clamp fitting. The 1974 catalogue does not show the chromed stays, while 1975 does, so it's a possible 1974 change introduced after the catalogue was introduced. Kurt's website confirms this, stating that for 1974, "Competitions go back to Bocama Professional lugs, and gain the chrome rear triangle lost after the first-gen models. Huret drops remain."

Looking at the top tube, we see that there is no lug where it joins the seat tube and there does not appear to be any spearpoints on the top, front lug. This suggests a customized top tube. If this was a production frame, I would think that Raleigh would have had the resources to develop appropriate lugs. The bottle bosses would be a logical addition at the time of modification.

All things considered, I'm leaning towards this being a modified 1974 Raleigh Competition MK II. I'd appreciate better photos of the rear dropouts and head lugs and front of the seat lug. That may help increase the confidence level.

Edit: I neglected to mention that Bicyclesport was Mike Barry's first retail shop. As many of you know, he and Mike Brown manufactured the Mariposa brand of custom bicycles. So, Bicyclesport definitely had the ability to custom modify a production frame.

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Old 09-17-22, 01:50 PM
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Could also be a modified Super Tourer which is shown with Huret Jubilee RD in the 1974 catalog. The color is an obvious homage to the ST colorway.
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Old 09-17-22, 03:16 PM
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Thanks so much T-Mar for the detailed analysis! And really appreciate the thoughts obrentharris wrk101 Schreck83!

T-Mar, I’ve uploaded the pics you requested to an Album in my profile called “Raleigh Part 2”. Should have everything you need there. Definitely Huret dropouts… and I see what you mean about the potential mod. Let me know what you think?

Final question… what do you folk think it could be worth. I’m debating selling it and trying to figure if it’s worth doing so together or as parts.
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Old 09-18-22, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Jammers87 View Post
...T-Mar, I’ve uploaded the pics you requested to an Album in my profile called “Raleigh Part 2”. Should have everything you need there. Definitely Huret dropouts… and I see what you mean about the potential mod. Let me know what you think?...
Thank-you for the extra photos. Those are definitely the Huret dropouts that were in production during 1974. The photos also confirm my suspicions that the horizontal top tube appears to have removed and replaced with the sloping top tube, resulting in a quasi step-through design. Both the seat and top head lugs appear to have had their top tube collars removed. The resulting hole in the seat lug has been filled but I can see some slight distortion. The joint of the top tube to head lug is functional but cosmetically disappointing. It's not up to the workmanship level that I've seen coming out of the Bicyclesport/Mariposa frame shop.

This one is hard for me to price. It's definitely unique, in very good condition and has an extremely interesting pedigree. However, I think the frame design will have limited appeal and you'd have to find the right person to garner best price. Consequently, I don't see much value beyong the parts and they're an eclectic mix. I'll defer to the other members on value.

Shreck83 makes a very good point about the possibility of a Super Tourer being its origin. The Super Tourer and Competition frames were very similar, with only minor differences. I think you could flip a coin on its heritage, unless you could find some overspray remnants of the original colour inside the frame.


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Shreck83 makes a very good point about the possibility of a Super Tourer being its origin. The Super Tourer and Competition frames were very similar, with only minor differences. I think you could flip a coin on its heritage, unless you could find some overspray remnants of the original colour inside the frame.
After taking a closer look at the lugs (and the “BCM” stamp on the front of the top head tube lug), I suspect this is a modified 1974 Super Tourer. While I’ll try and sell as a whole, sadly I suspect I’ll have to part this out to extract any value.

one last question… any idea the vintage of the Campy parts? My knowledge is really quite thin post 1960s/70s NR.

Really appreciate all the info and guidance everyone!
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Velobase.com is great for looking up components.
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Old 09-19-22, 05:19 AM
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The brakeset does not appear to exhibit the CPSC dome on the quick release lever, so it should be the pre-1978 version of Record. The crankset appears to be circa 1993-1995 Record OR. The image of the rear derailleur if not good but assuming it matches the front derailleur, it would appears to be one of the lower level ATB models either Icarus or Centaur, circa 1993.

The 1974 Raleigh catalogue shows the Super Tourer with Bocama Pro lugs, while the Competition is shown with a different lugset, that is spec'd as Prugnat. However, on his website, Kurt, who has done a lot of research on Raleigh of the era, states that the Competition went back to Bocama Pro lugs in 1974, so I wouldn't rule out the possibility of it being a Competition. It wouldn't be the first time that a company made a running change after the catalogue was issued. However, given the commonality between the two models, I wouldn't fault you in calling it a Super Tourer.
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Old 09-19-22, 02:23 PM
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Bicyclesport in Toronto specialized in importing British and some Italian frames, and making their own custom frames (Mariposa). While they did have a showroom with 20-30 ready-to-ride bicycles, the majority of their bikes were built up individually from bare frames. In fact, I do not ever recall seeing any bike on their floor that was available anywhere else "out of the box".

It's very likely that this was built as one-off, either for their floor or to their customers specifications (as either could be as easily done) and you won't find it in any Raleigh catalogue - I know my Bicyclesport Holdsworth isn't - but like your bike, it had a mix of quality components (Campy hubs and derailleurs, TA cranks and bag support, Stronglight headset, Mafac brakes. It seems quite typical of the kind of bikes that shop sold.
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Thanks so much everything. Really appreciate the help in understanding the story behind this bike!
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