Kevin537

Unknown green track frame with Campagnolo “trackends” and dropouts. If anyone one recognizes this frame or has any info on it please let me know. Thanks!

TugaDude

Don't know who made it but I like it. Paint is in nice condition and makes me wonder whether it is a respray. That, along with the lack of any decals. Looks well built, nicely thinned lugs, etc. The Zeus headset is interesting since it has a Campagnolo bottom bracket.

The tube set also matters. Some have tell-tale signs and you can at least rule out certain types.

If you are looking for a valuation all I can do is tell you what I'd offer if it was my size. I do love track frames and have a few. I ride fixed gear frequently. If I were interested I could see offering $200.00 plus or minus.

Beauty in simplicity.

rustystrings61 

The metric bottom bracket and the fish mouth stay ends speak French to me. Nicely-thinned looking long point Prugnat lugs. I can't recall ever seeing that much tange in any rear end or fork tips, for that matter. I'm thinking a small shop or a custom builder. Is the fork drilled?

juvela

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metric shell suggests metric tubeset so we would expect a 26.0mm top tube, 28.0mm down tube and seat tube & 25.0mm steerer

would expect saddle pillar diameter in the vicinity of 26.6mm

France, Switzerland and Spain are the three most likely possible national origins for a frame done to metric standard; there are also some makers in latin america who employ metric standard and a small sprinkling in Belgium

see no strongly identifying details

is shell unmarked or does it say RGF, RFG for example?

fork appears undrilled

you may discover tubing mark on steerer
would expect either something from Ateliers de La Rive or Reynolds for a tube set, steeerer may be NERVOR, chainstay dimple detail would seem to eliminate Columbus and Falck from consideration

frame "looks" 1960's era, or possibly very early 1970's; the Zeus Gran Sport headset and Campag Record model bottom bracket assembly fit in with this time


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zukahn1

The frame details and Zeus headset with campy dropouts would have me leaning towards a lesser known Spanish origin. Very nice basic plain simple track frame with really nicely hand finished lug work. As said even with out positive ID which is unlikely I could see $200 so as is.

juvela

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Arregui a producer of track ends -



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Kevin537

The trackends and dropouts are all campy

Kevin537

All the info I’ve gotten is much appreciated.
Undrilled fork, no stampings other then the serial number or the Campagnolo stamped trackends and dropouts

juvela

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yes, indeedy do

that is the point of the post

it was suggested frame may be from Spain due to the presence of the Zeus headset

if maker of frame were in Spain and fitted a Zeus headset one would think they might have employed Zeus ends

t'would seem possible but unlikely to have constructed frame with Campag ends and then gone on to fit Zeus headset for a maker in Spain


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zukahn1

Good chance the maker used Campy ends to meet top end race standards specs for the time which does little to help id the bike but does tell it is true race level track frame.

Senrab62 

If I were to list this on craigslist/FB marketplace in my market (Chicago) I'd ask no less than $300. On ebay I'd list it for $450-500. I'd add $100+, depending, on either price if you knew the manufacturer.

Nice lug finishing, quality track ends, and fresh (if not original) paint. True track bike. Still sell well enough in my market.

Any idea on weight or seatpost sizing??

Kevin537

Thank you everyone for all the info, I appreciate it. I’m plan on listing the frame and fork on my local (MA) Craigslist or marketplace in the next few days so if anyones interested let me know.

Kevin537

I think we have a winner! The lugs and the forks look the same. Now if I could iy
figure out the serial number system they used lol

zukahn1

Also pull the fork and check the stearer tube there is likely a second serial number and date code there and if lucky a makers mark.

rustystrings61 

I am not convinced. The lugs are the same, but the stay and fork ends are different, and I would expect to see either a swaged-over seat stay top or brazed-on willow leaf fittings. I think it's French, but the seat stay treatment doesn't look like either Gitane or Bernard Carre, it's too nicely finished to be a Peugeot, and I think this was a hand-built creation by a craftsman who knew what he was doing.