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Mercier to Id

Old 05-10-23, 09:05 PM
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Mercier to Id

I will add the serial numbers and much better photos tomorrow but for now.....

Back Story

I saw an ad (Why was I looking when iI have no room to store more....).

Seller labeled it a "1970s Racing Bike", he didn't know the make but had been told it was "Italian". He was looking to sell and wanted whatever a fair price was.

It's been repainted and in the process had lost it's head badge.

The photos were beyond bad. I did see the engraved lugs with "Mercier" stamped.




It was too small for me so I didn't look further. I was bored and so I emailed seller and said No, it's not Italian and it's a Mercier so it's French.

Seller emailed to thank me. He asked a value and said he had a local man call and offer $100 and when he said that no, it seemed to be less than fair, the man offered him a bit more and said he would be by Friday.
I know the man who was offering to but it and and he is a local who is very cheap.

Seller asked me what I thought it was worth. I said pull the carrier off the rear, take photos of the components and re-post. I asked idly what the components were and seller advised they were Campo-something.
He sent me photos and I started seeing things I liked. Liked a lot. I suggested that he ask at least double the offer as I still wasn't in.

I called @bertinjim and he confirmed that it was a real Mercier, that those were some nice components, and yes it had been repainted.

I called seller back and he advised that he had messaged the man who made the offer and said he wanted more as it was worth more. There had been no reply and so I said I was in. I drove over and grabbed this one.

Seatpost, brakes, brake levers, RD, FD, cranks and headset as well as hub are Campagnolo. Shifters are Modolo Kronos (I have a set of Campagnolo shifters I can install).
Note to Bertinjim, I was wrong on the levers! Unsure because it was dark but seat post bolt might be Campagnolo as well.


As you can see - very small!



Previous owner was "Karen Ann"


Please ignore the "Zoom" stem and that gaudy tape. Bars under the tape are Campione Del Mondo







Wheels are Mavic with Super Record hubs. I'll photo them tomorrow. Seat post is either Record or Sport (I don't know the difference!)

My question is: What is it? I have never seen a Mercier in the flesh and with a repaint I am left guessing.

I WILL PROVIDE BETTER PHOTOS IN DAYLIGHT ALONG WITH THE SERIAL NUMBER!

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Old 05-11-23, 01:52 PM
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Surprised I've had no updates but it is a relatively rare bike maker, at least in Canada.

Questions still are:

What model is it?

Can a faded out saddle be re-dyed?

No serial number and the "M" embossing in the forks is very hard to see.

The Bar tape was three - (3) layers of Cinelli tape - two black and the top yellow.

I cleaned it and noted that the seat post is 26.6mm, so definitely a French bike!


I certainly does shine!

Will need a headbadge!




Previous Owner Karen Anne

I have a set of NOS shifters that match

Can a seat like this be "brought back"? Will shoe dye work?




Low Flange hubs

Mavic Module E2 Argent rims
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Completely baffled by potential models. Most online photos show 70s models with brake cables held by threaded retainer, versus brazons.
Only full Campagnolo equipped Merciers I've found were built with Columbus.

Paging @juvela. IIRC he worked a lot with French Bikes...

Ps. It doesn't fit me and I'm torn between stripping it for parts or flipping it, so anyone have a value???

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WGB I have no clue as to value, but talk to me if you decide to part it out. Coffee is cheaper than shipping!
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I listed it in Toronto (for $600 Canadian) just to see what the interest was.

Within two minutes I had two women reply.

Stories were almost identical. Each was away for a few days, each offered to pay with Venmo. One said she would send her nephew, the other said she would send a driver. Each said the nephew/driver would come by get it. Both used the phrase "he'll throw it in his truck" which sounds an odd way to treat an expensive bike!

I said I don't have Venmo. I asked for cash. Both women countered with offering to use Zelle. I said I don't have that either. Both women replied saying they only use Zelle. One stopped emails and the other asked sarcastically if I really wanted to sell the bike. I said how about you send your nephew the money by Zelle and he pays me cash when he sees me?

Dead air.
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Sounds familiar!
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I listed it in Toronto (for $600 Canadian) just to see what the interest was.

Within two minutes I had two women reply.

Stories were almost identical. Each was away for a few days, each offered to pay with Venmo. One said she would send her nephew, the other said she would send a driver. Each said the nephew/driver would come by get it. Both used the phrase "he'll throw it in his truck" which sounds an odd way to treat an expensive bike!

I said I don't have Venmo. I asked for cash. Both women countered with offering to use Zelle. I said I don't have that either. Both women replied saying they only use Zelle. One stopped emails and the other asked sarcastically if I really wanted to sell the bike. I said how about you send your nephew the money by Zelle and he pays me cash when he sees me?

Dead air.
This is a scam third party pic up and alternative payment method almost always means scam when selling. Plus think about it no woman I know of would want to by this bike for $600 no haggling or questions asked without looking at it in person. As for model no clue looks to be a early 80's frame set with some possible a lot of none original component's . As for value $600 seems a bit high for a local cash sale I would think closer to $400 as is and it might be a bit of a tough sale and take awhile in most markets. So if your up to it parting it out and selling the frame and fork with just the head set here or on ebay may be the best way to go.
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Cool bike and nice pick up. I'm guessing its a later model than the 70s era Merciers you are seeing (top tube cable guides, lack of chrome) which may explain why you are having trouble ID'ing the bike. AFAIK, 70s era Merciers were much more common in North America than later models.

I know bike values are higher in Canada than the US and that Toronto is a "hot" market but I think that $600 Can (around $440 US) is high for this bike. It has good bones. I'd fix it up (and get rid of that ugly stem) to sell or, as others have suggested, part it out.
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I probably will have to part it out as it's not a brand people will know. As for the price, it's just that I was uncharted waters as I had never seen a well made Mercier in the flesh.

IIRC @bertinjim may have suggested it's possibly one of their "Rose" bikes. The only Rose bikes I've seen didn't have braze-on cable holders, only screw-on ones. Since the top tube doesn't seem to have been repainted, I'm not sure that is the right model.

I'm leaning towards a T58 which, if it is a T58 then I believe it was a hand made frame from their Pro Shop.

I may just pull the bike and do more research......

Hoping @juvela will pop in as he seems to be wise in all things French.....
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thanks for the unwarranted vote of confidence...

read thread when first posted but have precious little of substance to contribute

at first glance it appears to be a domestic european model...but a cycle which sends mixed messages

there are ones of a temporal nature such as the combination of long dropouts paired with top tube and w/b braze-ons, name stamped into seat stay plug, under bottom bracket cable routing

if it were late enough to have received all of these features at the factory one might also expect to see things such as shorter dropouts, recessed brake mount, seat tube w/b and maybe braze-on front mech

you write it an an obvious respray which makes me suspect that some of these features may be post-manufacture additions

she has certainly seen some work with this eclectic mix of kit...even a Zeus seat binder

do not consider many serious shoppers would be interested at a realistic value price

would think best course would be to disassemble and offer frameset separately

it is likely to be an easier/quicker sale than the full machine

have no experience of european model Mercier products so unable to comment regarding model designation


(now you know why did not write earlier)

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wrt saddle scuff: you need to hear from our Don Rodolfo, THEE MAN on all matters selle ​​​​rhm

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The Modolo sppon leve's are are cool but seem out of place with the rest off the stuff I would pull them and sell keep seperate and put some basic Campy's on it match the rest of the shift group.
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Thank you all. And if @juvela doesn't know it, I believe the mystery will never be solved!!!
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BTW -

for any readers with an interest in european model Mercier products there is a wonderful thread over at the Tonton forum which just goes on for pages and pages

a great many of the "pink pink" models and "rose pink" models are illustrated and discussed

​​​​​​https://forum.tontonvelo.com/viewtop...b84fd101add208

the thread is specifically for road models

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Just a final update.
DIsassembled and found it is indeed a repaint and originally it was Rose
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The bike would be more valuable if it still that Mercier rose or pink color. The Mercier 300 was the top end model sold in the US back in the day but this is a newer model than a 300. Are those campy dropouts? This must have been a top end model and it is still a very nice bike.
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They are indeed Campy drop outs. I think that Juvela is correct and that the owner added extras such as shifter bosses and bottle bosses as well as the addition of brake cable bosses instead of the original screw on clamps.

I agree it would have been nice to have it in the original paint (even if it had been repainted in that colour).
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since the overspray on the steerer gives you a clear sample of the original colour

it could be a helpful clue in determining which braze-ons may be original vs additions

if you gently removed paint around a given braze-on you might be able to see whether or not there is a layer of the original colour

suggest to use non-acetone nail varnish remover for this as it is gentler than most other paint remover materials; available at all drug stores and the toiletries section of grocery stores


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