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Steel Look Equipe Full DuraAce?

Old 12-05-09, 08:42 PM
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Steel Look Equipe Full DuraAce?

Hello. Newbie here I have a history, or any information, request in regards to my bicycle. I have been a proud owner of a Reynolds 653 Look Equipe for the last five years...I just dont know anything about it. The frame, as stated is Reynolds 653 steel (assuming original decals), lugged (some with Look stamps), and what seems to be "actual" Campy drop outs (front and rear). I only write "actual" because I have done some research and I have not been able to hone down whether the drops are of Italian or Asian descent. The grouppo is Full DuraAce and to my surprise the headset is of the same. Finally a Cinelli bar/stem combo and a Mavic sew-up wheelset. I dont know if its trivial but the color looks like a heavily pearled white with yellow/black:red/black:blue/black decals with Bernard Hinault on the DT.
What I am eluding to is that I spoke to a "Look" (it took me a while to find out who owned Look at the time) representative a couple of years back on some history to no avail (Mostly because my patience ran out after a couple of months). I would like to continue my quest to find out what this is
If anyone has any information it would be greatly appreciated. I can email a pic if/when it is needed. Thank you!
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Old 12-05-09, 08:55 PM
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Pictures, pretty please
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may we please see some pics? also your dura ace is it downtube shifter? does it have a freewheel or cassette? how many speeds? are there model numbers on anything like 7400 7420? that will help some narrow down the year. OH do the dropouts have "campagnolo stamped on them? I do believe that Mr Hinault rode for Look/Viva le' Claire his last few years and was team captain for Mr Lemonds first few pro years. while this bike may be a team 'replica' is anyones guess. the possibility of it being an actual team bike would be IMHO very slim. also to most people just saying it is a team bike is no good. like lots of 'collectables' you need some type of provinance to prove it was team bike.
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+1 Post pictures.

I have a Look frameset, similar paint scheme as you describe, but mine is made of 753R tubing.


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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
+1 Post pictures.

I have a Look frameset, similar paint scheme as you describe, but mine is made of 753R tubing.


Exact directions to your house, please. And...what hours are you usually not there?
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FYI you gentlemen do know that the look/ Viva le Claire teams took the basic designs for their graphics and LOOKs actual logo from the cosmetics company's logos and packaging.
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Old 12-05-09, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
FYI you gentlemen do know that the look/ Viva le Claire teams took the basic designs for their graphics and LOOKs actual logo from the cosmetics company's logos and packaging.
Did not know that... I suspect that a lot of the 86-88 bike companies got their basic color schema from Mary Kay tradition

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Pics at last!

Hello. Here is the link to some pics. My apologies for the "darkroom" pics. Thanks

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45275634@N05/show/
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Old 12-06-09, 04:14 PM
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...Oh yeah FC-7400 etched on the crankset, eight speed cassette. Thanks
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Old 12-06-09, 08:51 PM
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Lucky,

How about a few pictures from normal angles that show the entire bike?

It looks good, a few nicks here and there but NO rust on anything and its what I'll call a 'full' Dura Ace bike. By full I mean headset, BB, hubs etc. The only non Dura Ace parts are the pedals but that was a common change out. Its a late 80's bike as indicated by the Uni-glide rear hub. The rims have almost no wear on the braking surfaces which is highly desireable.

Considering you've owned for 5 years I can gaurantee you haven't ridden it. It has certain amount of storage patina and a very bent rear derailleur hanger that makes it very unrideable.

My recommendation would be to clean and shine it up real good. It may need nothing more than some automotive spray on 'quick wax'. The tubular tire glue is probably dead which means it may need new tires as well. A good local bicycle store will charge you $20+/- to fix the rear derailleur hanger. If your in the Tampa area I'll do it for free.
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Thank you everyone for the helpful posts

Miamijim,

Thank you for the post. I have had some mileage on the bike...well 200+ concrete miles in five years is hardly riding but it is some use. I was fortunate that at the time of acquiring the bike I was working as a mechanic at a local bike shop. Straightening the der-hanger definitely needed some finesse thankfully a well trained second set of eyes (my manager) and a trusty park tool to do the job. Unfortunately, moving residences is not a good way to keep a hanger straight...especially multiple times in five years...it has been returned to a plumb state regardless of my plans to ride it. In lieu of the tubi's I did take some time in the first hours of ownership to remove the old glue (wirebrush/steel wool/2000grit SP/acetone) and install a better set of Wolber 20c's that happen to come "toestrapped" under the saddle. Not the cleanest job but held up within those 200+ miles.

The question that I may be eluding to is: What is the significance of this bike with the 4-digit serial number "L152"? Bianchigirll was kind enough to mention that there maybe some significance but highly unlikely to this being a "team" or "team replica" bike. In addition how does one make sense of a French brand / Italian steel / Japanese running gear bike in the 1980's? It doesnt seem to make sense...Campagnolo maybe but Dura-Ace seems odd.

Thanks again

oh yeah a full view pic:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45275634@N05/4167936882/

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Old 12-07-09, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by LuckyObscurity View Post
What is the significance of this bike with the 4-digit serial number "L152"? Bianchigirll was kind enough to mention that there maybe some significance but highly unlikely to this being a "team" or "team replica" bike. In addition how does one make sense of a French brand / Italian steel / Japanese running gear bike in the 1980's? It doesnt seem to make sense...Campagnolo maybe but Dura-Ace seems odd
I dont think its a 'team' bike as its missing the number braze-on under the top tube, I'd call it a replica. Towards the end of the 80's and through the 90's it was very common to find Shimano components on everything from American to French to Italian bikes. Shimano blew everyone away when they introduced their indexed shifting in 1985. Campy didnt have reliable system until 1992 when Ergo came out and that was 1 full year behind Shimanos STI. In reality, Dura Ace makes alot of sense. As odd as it may sound, every indexing system Shimano made, from the entry 'Z' and Exage series through Dura Ace worked better than everything Campy offered through 1991.
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Old 12-08-09, 06:12 PM
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Fantastic post miamijim! Thank you for your insight. I will feel better to ride the bike now that I dont think its a "priceless relic" of sorts. Thanks again!
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Lucky, that's not a real Look team replica. It looks like a replica of the Look Hinault replica. Everything else is different. The red, yellow, blue painted sections are too short for one. None of the 500 frames used 653 tubing. The fork crown, BB shell, lugs, bridge, chrome drop outs, the shape of stay end at the dropouts.........were all wrong. Here are a few pictures of mine, you can compare to yours.













Edit: None of the replica seat stay caps have the word LOOK on it.

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Thank you for the post Abarth!

Wow, the difference in the details are very interesting (i.e. rear brake bridge, chain stay bridge, etc.) Your bike is definitely of different quality standard...your pearl is even deeper in the paint!

One question though...would you happen to know who made this said replica-of-a-replica? Specifically, was it an actual Look product?

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Lucky, I've been searching to see if I can find any info for your mystery bike, but so far nothing. LOOK branded another steel bike around the same time as the team replica, called the "Prestige". I was hoping that's your bike, but it was the same frame as the team replica with a different decals. Those bikes were labeled as LOOK, but they were not manufactured by LOOK. I think in 86 or 87 LOOK acquired TVT to produce the LOOK carbon bikes, and that was the end of steel bike for LOOK until the 90's.

From the look of your bike, it is a upper end model. I knowledge is limited, I think you should start a thread on the main C&V forum, so more forum members can jump in and help ID your bike. It is definitely an interesting bike. If you can provide information like, seatpost diameter, pictures of all the lugs will help a lot on IDing your bike. Is there any other numbers or marking other than L152?
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I found a little more info on the Look steel frame. Other than the Team replica and the Prestige, Look only made three more steel frames. They are the KG233, KG243 and KG253. Both KG233 and KG243 have fast back design, straight chrome fork and chrome stays, internal cable routing and Columbus tubing. KG253 looks kind of odd like triathlon frame with carbon fork. I wonder how they put the LOOK pantograph on the seat stay caps. Any other place on your bike has the LOOK pantograph?
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Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
+1 Post pictures.

I have a Look frameset, similar paint scheme as you describe, but mine is made of 753R tubing.

Every time you post this pic, I kick myself for not picking that frame up! (I was the one that posted it in the ebay/CL thread)
How well does it ride, or has it not been built up yet?

Sorry to derail the thread.
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Originally Posted by j. hughes View Post
Every time you post this pic, I kick myself for not picking that frame up! (I was the one that posted it in the ebay/CL thread)
How well does it ride, or has it not been built up yet?

Sorry to derail the thread.
I have never built it up as it is way too big for me. I will be stripping remaining parts and putting it on ebay in the spring. I kind of bought it on a lark. We'll have to see how it turns out, as up to now, I have just focused on complete bikes. I wish it was smaller, as I would build it up as a keeper for sure and sell something else out of the fleet.
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^what size is it again? let me know before you put it on ebay, i could be interested. plus, i'm in NC often.
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Abarth,

My apologies for the delayed posts...all-wheel drive and snow took over the last few days! In lieu of the 2nd to last post: Seat post D is 27.2mm and there are no other markings other than the Look pantograph (stamping? the uneven depth of the letters seems to indicate that. I will post pics as soon as I get situated) other than the venerable Campagnolo forgings on the DO's. Thank you again for the post.
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In photo 3153, is that a deep gouge in the seat stay or just in the paint? Looks pretty deep.
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That is unfortunately a scratch down to the steel (appx. 3mm long)...too deep Thankfully not structural

I have added pics of the forgings on the bike for perusal:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/4527563...7622987804280/

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Lucky, you should start a new thread at the main Classic & Vintage forum, may be someone will recognize the frame.
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Abarth, I will do that Thank you for all your help and insight!
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